Holden +Monaro,Trackday issues
Discussion
To all trackday users of Holden and Vauxhall monaro Cars,
Im working on a project which requires research into how well performance cars perform straight out of the dealer on to the Track.
Nameley what problems you guys experience which you think can be improved to make the track experience more exciting,
Areas of interest are
BRAKES, Do you find they are up to it, feel, fade etc
SUSPENSION
Roll , understeer ,oversteer steering feel and respnse,
ENGINE, tractability ,thottle response.
DIFFERENTIAL, effective ,controllable etc.
DRIVING POSITION,controls track view etc.
Any info you have or suggestions would help me greatly.
Cheers.
Im working on a project which requires research into how well performance cars perform straight out of the dealer on to the Track.
Nameley what problems you guys experience which you think can be improved to make the track experience more exciting,
Areas of interest are
BRAKES, Do you find they are up to it, feel, fade etc
SUSPENSION
Roll , understeer ,oversteer steering feel and respnse,
ENGINE, tractability ,thottle response.
DIFFERENTIAL, effective ,controllable etc.
DRIVING POSITION,controls track view etc.
Any info you have or suggestions would help me greatly.
Cheers.
I don't have one of these critters, but most cars are set up to understeer by default....Gives the numpties 10-15 seconds to come out of freeze mode and recover the presence of mind . Ie, this set up is not time dependant, unlike oversteer where intervention must be immediate and appropiate.
Understeer is a nuisance in the track as it encourages the aggressive to add more throttle and possibly aggravate the problem.
Tires on a showroom car have tall relatively skinny treadblocks to enable fair/foul weather traction plus taverse surfaces that may have low friction contaminants present.
On the track these same treadblocks squirm extend and contract to a great extent under the greater forces of accel and cornering.
This behaviour makes them get very hot, hot enough to shred off the tire carcass, plus so hot the car loses traction as the rubber molecules decide to bond more powerfully with the road than with the tire.
The tracking on show room offerings is set so that they are stable in a straightline and reluctant to change direction.
Brake pads are designed for long wear, dustless and noiseless operation at low temps. This is the not the requirement or environment seen on track.
Ergonomics comes down to driver preference. If the driver is comfortable, he'll be more confident.
Showroom cars are mostly designed around a CTdummy of a certain percentile size which isn't most of us.
The Monaro, specifically is a very heavy beast so it will be hard on all it's systems when at 10/10ths on track.
You don't have to take anyone's word for this; All you have to do is keep your eyes open at a trackday and all this will be apparent to you.
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Understeer is a nuisance in the track as it encourages the aggressive to add more throttle and possibly aggravate the problem.
Tires on a showroom car have tall relatively skinny treadblocks to enable fair/foul weather traction plus taverse surfaces that may have low friction contaminants present.
On the track these same treadblocks squirm extend and contract to a great extent under the greater forces of accel and cornering.
This behaviour makes them get very hot, hot enough to shred off the tire carcass, plus so hot the car loses traction as the rubber molecules decide to bond more powerfully with the road than with the tire.
The tracking on show room offerings is set so that they are stable in a straightline and reluctant to change direction.
Brake pads are designed for long wear, dustless and noiseless operation at low temps. This is the not the requirement or environment seen on track.
Ergonomics comes down to driver preference. If the driver is comfortable, he'll be more confident.
Showroom cars are mostly designed around a CTdummy of a certain percentile size which isn't most of us.
The Monaro, specifically is a very heavy beast so it will be hard on all it's systems when at 10/10ths on track.
You don't have to take anyone's word for this; All you have to do is keep your eyes open at a trackday and all this will be apparent to you.
m
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