Anticlockwise tracks

Anticlockwise tracks

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iguana

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7,048 posts

266 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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Have been pondering why the vast majority of tracks are clockwise in the UK & also the world, yet from what I can gather many high speed bowls (tho Nardo = clockwise I belive) & also the USA ovals Ive seen on TV appear to be anticlock & from old pics it appears Brooklands- our 1st ever purpose made & now sadly butchered & decrepid track was I belive anticlock too.

So UK anticlock we have Bedford GT & West (dunno about the other configs) and Millbrook bowl is anticlock too. Rockingham oval too? Any other UK tracks that I vant think of anticlock? (Yes i know Brands was once many many many yrs ago)

Worldwide as far as I know coz ive driven it we have Bathhurst & im told Imola & Interlagos also.

So anymore?

Oh and what way is that that Ehra Lessien bowl- famed for the Mc F1 record?



>>> Edited by iguana on Monday 20th September 12:56

jeremyc

24,338 posts

290 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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Dijon-Prenois apparently has a license to run both clockwise and anticlockwise, although it tends to only be used clockwise.

weed

211 posts

247 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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In my view, the US ovals are anti clockwise for a couple of benefits.
1, the cars are LHD so the pilot has more crash structure between him and the wall... theoretically.
2, the weight of the driver is on the inside of the bend . A LHD car can usually generate more lateral force turning left.

Road Racing in the US is derived from European sports car tradition and in its infancy, the most sucessful cars were of British (RHD) design. Most of the road race tracks in the US are clockwise.

m.

Simon Mason

579 posts

275 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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Not sure what other tracks run anti clockwise the reason is simple though. The barriers and therefore the gaps within them must go away from the direction of traffic. To make circuits uni directional would require a huge expense.

I guess in most cases the circuit direction has remaind clockwise simply because thats how things were first run on each track, hence why change it.

As for the American ovals, the racing over there evolved in its own environment. I guess it makes more sense to run the tracks in the same direction as each other as much as possible because it makes safety feature planning on each car much simpler.

B19TOY

539 posts

290 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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Doesn't Mallory swing both ways?

>> Edited by B19TOY on Monday 20th September 16:38

Simon Mason

579 posts

275 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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Yep but only without its long extension

Melv

4,708 posts

271 months

Monday 20th September 2004
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Rockingham's anti-clock.

Brooklands swung both ways.

Wish more were, it would even out the tyre wear.

Mel(looking at canvas on FRH after evening at Bedford.... )

gdr

587 posts

266 months

Tuesday 21st September 2004
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They occasionally run Knockhill backwards. Not done it but I think it might hurt if you went off as gravel & barriers not designed for this direction.

Andrew Noakes

914 posts

246 months

Tuesday 21st September 2004
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iguana said:
i know Brands was once many many many yrs ago


Not so long ago they used to run some circuits backwards for the Eurocar series - including Brands, I think.

Outside the UK, Interlagos, Rio, Avus, Imola, Kyalami and Monjuich are/were all anti-clockwise. Detroit, Phoenix and Las Vegas were anti-clockwise, but Long Beach, Riverside, Sebring, Wakins Glen and the Indianapolis GP circuit are clockwise.

atom290

1,015 posts

263 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2004
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I ran a trackday weekend at Anglesey on the Saturday and Sunday.

Sat anticlock
Sun Clock

Like 2 different circuits it was great!!!

iguana

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7,048 posts

266 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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atom290 said:
I ran a trackday weekend at Anglesey on the Saturday and Sunday.

Sat anticlock
Sun Clock

Like 2 different circuits it was great!!!


That sounds like a great weekend.

I have heard of a classic rally thing that did the 'ring one day & then did it the wrong way the next day! now that would indeed be a giggle- if perhaps quite flipping scary!

atom290

1,015 posts

263 months

Monday 27th September 2004
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I walked the ring twice on Consecutive days Firstly the right way the next day the wrong way. Took loads of photos of all the corners for a web page that never happened.

The ring is scary the wrong way, all of the service roads are very open, some with big drops. It would be carnage central to run a trackday that way round.

Graham

16,369 posts

290 months

Tuesday 28th September 2004
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atom290 said:
I ran a trackday weekend at Anglesey on the Saturday and Sunday.

Sat anticlock
Sun Clock

Like 2 different circuits it was great!!!


Blimey i bet the down hill from radar to school was interesting...

Glenn McMenamin

2,305 posts

244 months

Tuesday 28th September 2004
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I did the Nurburgring on Sunday, and i think that was anti clock, although there were so many bends, half the time i didn't know where the F*** i was anyway !!!!

atom290

1,015 posts

263 months

Tuesday 28th September 2004
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It is deseptive but you were going clockwise

Best place to go is the Castle to see where it all goes!

Getting lost isnt a crime, the only crime is that you will want to go again....and again....oh again, until you have to resort to crime to pay for your new habbit!

dannylt

1,906 posts

290 months

Thursday 30th September 2004
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Graham said:

atom290 said:
I ran a trackday weekend at Anglesey on the Saturday and Sunday.

Sat anticlock
Sun Clock

Like 2 different circuits it was great!!!



Blimey i bet the down hill from radar to school was interesting...
Surely much slower entry speed than the usual, though nicely off camber?

anonymous-user

60 months

Friday 1st October 2004
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Glenn McMenamin said:
I did the Nurburgring on Sunday, and i think that was anti clock, although there were so many bends, half the time i didn't know where the F*** i was anyway !!!!


i think we'd have heard about the ensuing carnage if you did go round anticlockwise =8)

sirtophamhat

1,072 posts

244 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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Pacific Raceways is run counterclockwise. Portland International Raceway is run clockwise. Interesting point, I never thought about it.

cdp

7,508 posts

260 months

Tuesday 5th October 2004
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weed said:
In my view, the US ovals are anti clockwise for a couple of benefits.
1, the cars are LHD so the pilot has more crash structure between him and the wall... theoretically.
2, the weight of the driver is on the inside of the bend . A LHD car can usually generate more lateral force turning left.

Road Racing in the US is derived from European sports car tradition and in its infancy, the most sucessful cars were of British (RHD) design. Most of the road race tracks in the US are clockwise.

m.


I understand that most US purpose built sports racers are also rhd for that reason.

Bighealey

1 posts

244 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Also understand that Aintree where many of the early 50s British GPs were held also was anti-clockwise running.
Yes Aintree famous for the Grand National was one of the premier tracks in the 50s and 60s. There is a 50th aniversary of the first running of the GP this coming November if any one is interested