New Swiss law on CO2 for new vehicles
Discussion
In french
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
In German
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
I take it that this is pretty much in its final form now and will become law in May (or July) of this year albeit with transitional arrangements and all sorts of loopholes to be explored and closed (regarding the importation of cars previously registered abroad) but it does appear that anything over 130g/km is ultimately going to get whacked with a registration charge of up to CHF140 (£100!) per gramme over that figure!
Is this the incentive I need to order a new 981 Boxster for immediate delivery!
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
In German
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
I take it that this is pretty much in its final form now and will become law in May (or July) of this year albeit with transitional arrangements and all sorts of loopholes to be explored and closed (regarding the importation of cars previously registered abroad) but it does appear that anything over 130g/km is ultimately going to get whacked with a registration charge of up to CHF140 (£100!) per gramme over that figure!
Is this the incentive I need to order a new 981 Boxster for immediate delivery!
Depressing. Ultimately it's a progressive tax not one designed to tackle CO2 emissions. If you really want to do that you don't tax the car, you tax the fuel as CO2 is proportional to the amount of fuel burnt. A 250 g/km sports car doing 2000km a year is producing lots less CO2 than a 130g/km car doing 20,000km a year. And why does it reduce health costs - why not reduce the cost of alternative forms of transport like the trains (mostly powered by hydro-generated electricity) or give me a couple more buses an hour to the village so I don't have to jump in the car so often.
MogulBoy said:
In french
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
In German
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
I take it that this is pretty much in its final form now and will become law in May (or July) of this year albeit with transitional arrangements and all sorts of loopholes to be explored and closed (regarding the importation of cars previously registered abroad) but it does appear that anything over 130g/km is ultimately going to get whacked with a registration charge of up to CHF140 (£100!) per gramme over that figure!
Is this the incentive I need to order a new 981 Boxster for immediate delivery!
How much??! Lolhttp://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
In German
http://www.uvek.admin.ch/dokumentation/00474/00492...
I take it that this is pretty much in its final form now and will become law in May (or July) of this year albeit with transitional arrangements and all sorts of loopholes to be explored and closed (regarding the importation of cars previously registered abroad) but it does appear that anything over 130g/km is ultimately going to get whacked with a registration charge of up to CHF140 (£100!) per gramme over that figure!
Is this the incentive I need to order a new 981 Boxster for immediate delivery!
Thank flip is it only for new cars. As chandrew says, it is just another utterly pointless stealth tax, labelling it under environment gibberish.
However I would imagine the majority of high end cars could probably afford it, at least I hope so because Switzerland is car heaven for exotica!
However I would imagine the majority of high end cars could probably afford it, at least I hope so because Switzerland is car heaven for exotica!
It'll be small commercial operators who really get hammered by this.
The type of outfit with a few luton delivery vans, that type of thing.
Guess it'll help maintain the 2nd value of vehicles which pre-date this.
Can this be petitioned/referendumed against in the future ?
ie passed into law, then referendum to reverse it
The type of outfit with a few luton delivery vans, that type of thing.
Guess it'll help maintain the 2nd value of vehicles which pre-date this.
Can this be petitioned/referendumed against in the future ?
ie passed into law, then referendum to reverse it
Subaru STi. CHF44,100. Would be looking at almost CHF16,000 extra in tax
Land Rover defender CHF 41,000. CHF19,000 extra in tax.
One of the side effects of such a tax on new cars is to encourage people to keep old cars going longer. Given that old cars are more polluting like-for-like I can't see the logic in this.
Land Rover defender CHF 41,000. CHF19,000 extra in tax.
One of the side effects of such a tax on new cars is to encourage people to keep old cars going longer. Given that old cars are more polluting like-for-like I can't see the logic in this.
The cost appears to be bourne by the importer. Let's ignore personal imports for the moment but consider the implications on the offical importers: AMAG, Emil Frey, Porsche Suisse etc.
I am not 100% positive but perhaps they will be required to pay something based on the average CO2 in excess of the threshold for all the cars that they import in a period and not on a per vehicle basis.
Now then, they price acheiveable for new car sales is not totally elastic and as you say, people will keep older cars longer if they 'cannot afford' to renew.
Therefore, the importers should be looking for a participation from the manufacturers otherwise the CH market will slow for them. Politics aside, the purpose of this tax is, at the end of the day, to incentivse manufacturers to speed up the introduction of cleaner cars although constraining their profits in this way is arguably a contrived way of encouraging them to invest in new technology.
Finally, the distributors may be free to recover the burden that they are left to carry in the manner that they see fit and if therefore, they might average it out a bit to not overly-penalise those models that are high emitters but can't necessarily sustain a pro rata price rise. The Defender could be a good example here as those who buy FFRR's may not flinch at an extra few CHF on the MSRP but those who may want a new Defender might just keep an old one.
On second thoughts, the Defender is not long for this Earth so buy a new one while you can if you like that sort of thing!
I am not 100% positive but perhaps they will be required to pay something based on the average CO2 in excess of the threshold for all the cars that they import in a period and not on a per vehicle basis.
Now then, they price acheiveable for new car sales is not totally elastic and as you say, people will keep older cars longer if they 'cannot afford' to renew.
Therefore, the importers should be looking for a participation from the manufacturers otherwise the CH market will slow for them. Politics aside, the purpose of this tax is, at the end of the day, to incentivse manufacturers to speed up the introduction of cleaner cars although constraining their profits in this way is arguably a contrived way of encouraging them to invest in new technology.
Finally, the distributors may be free to recover the burden that they are left to carry in the manner that they see fit and if therefore, they might average it out a bit to not overly-penalise those models that are high emitters but can't necessarily sustain a pro rata price rise. The Defender could be a good example here as those who buy FFRR's may not flinch at an extra few CHF on the MSRP but those who may want a new Defender might just keep an old one.
On second thoughts, the Defender is not long for this Earth so buy a new one while you can if you like that sort of thing!
Edited by MogulBoy on Friday 13th January 10:03
chandrew said:
Depressing. Ultimately it's a progressive tax not one designed to tackle CO2 emissions. If you really want to do that you don't tax the car, you tax the fuel as CO2 is proportional to the amount of fuel burnt. A 250 g/km sports car doing 2000km a year is producing lots less CO2 than a 130g/km car doing 20,000km a year. And why does it reduce health costs - why not reduce the cost of alternative forms of transport like the trains (mostly powered by hydro-generated electricity) or give me a couple more buses an hour to the village so I don't have to jump in the car so often.
+1 as fuel should be taxed not emission! Typical stupidity of political bureaucrats and typical of this country to be different than othersAbout the only thing that I can say in defense of this change is that the alternative could have been worse.
Remember that the Greens were sucessful in collecting enough (i.e. more than 100,000) signatures on their Anti-4x4 popular initiative. They had planned a nationwide referendum that would have posed the question should 'we' ban the import of what objectionable private vehicles (not sure how they defined it but seem to recall that it was >2,500kgs taxable weight, >200g/km CO2).
Those that were already in the country could have been subjected to a 100Kph speed limit in a bid to keep their emmissions down (a bit)!
It is shocking that it got so far really, but if you ask people stupid questions, you get stupid answers.
Remember that the Greens were sucessful in collecting enough (i.e. more than 100,000) signatures on their Anti-4x4 popular initiative. They had planned a nationwide referendum that would have posed the question should 'we' ban the import of what objectionable private vehicles (not sure how they defined it but seem to recall that it was >2,500kgs taxable weight, >200g/km CO2).
Those that were already in the country could have been subjected to a 100Kph speed limit in a bid to keep their emmissions down (a bit)!
It is shocking that it got so far really, but if you ask people stupid questions, you get stupid answers.
MogulBoy said:
About the only thing that I can say in defense of this change is that the alternative could have been worse.
Remember that the Greens were sucessful in collecting enough (i.e. more than 100,000) signatures on their Anti-4x4 popular initiative. They had planned a nationwide referendum that would have posed the question should 'we' ban the import of what objectionable private vehicles (not sure how they defined it but seem to recall that it was >2,500kgs taxable weight, >200g/km CO2).
Those that were already in the country could have been subjected to a 100Kph speed limit in a bid to keep their emmissions down (a bit)!
It is shocking that it got so far really, but if you ask people stupid questions, you get stupid answers.
These type of folks made me consider bying a Cayenne Turbo S with a big sticker reading "I drive it because you hate it"...Remember that the Greens were sucessful in collecting enough (i.e. more than 100,000) signatures on their Anti-4x4 popular initiative. They had planned a nationwide referendum that would have posed the question should 'we' ban the import of what objectionable private vehicles (not sure how they defined it but seem to recall that it was >2,500kgs taxable weight, >200g/km CO2).
Those that were already in the country could have been subjected to a 100Kph speed limit in a bid to keep their emmissions down (a bit)!
It is shocking that it got so far really, but if you ask people stupid questions, you get stupid answers.
Dr S said:
These type of folks made me consider bying a Cayenne Turbo S with a big sticker reading "I drive it because you hate it"...
Being Switzerland you really want a Mansory Cayenne
Just to really pee the tree-huggers off, stick a Gstaad bumper sticker under your "I drive it because you hate it" sticker
Having read the regulations in the link I'm still not sure of the actual impact in practice. I think the penalty is on the average CO2 of all the cars imported and sold by each manufacturer that is above 130 and that different manufacturers/importers can form groups. I don't know but assume Porsche will be linked with VW so the small number of Cayenne Turbos will be mixed in with loads of Polo blue motions such that on average Porsche/VW is below 130 and there will be no penalty on the purchasers. However, if I have understood it properly, small manufacturers such as Morgan or those no longer part of a global group such as AM could be screwed.
Not really surprised about this. On paper Switzerland should be a car-owners heaven: good roads, mountain passes, generally secure, low prices compared to net income. The reality is really low speed limits that are rigorously enforced, long bans and heavy fines for transgressions and a general populace that are likely to report you to the police if they see you speeding!
Not really surprised about this. On paper Switzerland should be a car-owners heaven: good roads, mountain passes, generally secure, low prices compared to net income. The reality is really low speed limits that are rigorously enforced, long bans and heavy fines for transgressions and a general populace that are likely to report you to the police if they see you speeding!
AndrewD said:
Sigh, pictures of Zug...
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