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Keep your Focus, I loved all my Honda's, eg vti civic, ek vti civic, mb6 civic, mk2 crx vt, crx del sol vti, I'm driving a Audi a3 at the mo but away to trade in for a Accord type R next wknd, ( back where i belong ) the latest civic is not a nice to car to live with ( imo ), lovely place to be inside the cabin but the ride is terrible and the handling awful due to rear torsion set up rather than independant, my opinion though, I work for Honda and we see alot of them in the workshop ( I really mean alot ) for interior rattles, mainly dash rattles. If I had the option of a new civic of focus, it tears me to say but.....it'd be the focus. Think i'd better hide now.
Depends on what deal they will do one at for you. They are certainly doing some very good deals on the regular civics at the moment.
For example the 2011 model Type S I bought when opting out of the company car scheme, now costs less than it did when I bought in Spet 2009 and it comes with 3 years free servicing.
For example the 2011 model Type S I bought when opting out of the company car scheme, now costs less than it did when I bought in Spet 2009 and it comes with 3 years free servicing.
sutats said:
itsnotarace said:
Servicing at Honda dealers is no problem, parts are no problem either.
I've always wondered about that because I'm not sure the local technicians are trained in servicing a JDM car?
Or get an FN2, get Eibach pro-kit and a Wheel geometry set up, the combination of which improves ride quality drasticaly due to change from linear to progressive springs, lowers center of gravity sligtly and the FRS cures the understeer caused by the ridiculous OEM geometry set up which is well know to occasionaly be completely out, let alone good in the first place. Renault clio 200cup is a rear torsion set up, no problems there..
Servicing of the FD2 will not be a problem, we have serviced a couple of them already in our Honda dealer. The main reason why the FD2 got built in the first place is that when Swindon built the FN2 and it was shipped to Japan they didn't like it, handling especially,so...they built there own Type R utilizing the 4 door Civic hybrid as a platform. It uses as good as the same K20 unit that is in the Integra DC5 but with a slightly different inlet manifold, air box, etc, and slightly more aggresive cams. I would love one, absolutely stunning, maybe a in a few years time I'll have one like many of the other techs aswell, best bit of engineering Honda have produced in a long time, just a shame we can't get them from a dealer here.....actually we got a DC5 for one of our customers when they first came out....could maybe get a FD2 but I think I've given away enough secrets already! 
titchtalks said:
Servicing of the FD2 will not be a problem, we have serviced a couple of them already in our Honda dealer. The main reason why the FD2 got built in the first place is that when Swindon built the FN2 and it was shipped to Japan they didn't like it, handling especially,so...they built there own Type R utilizing the 4 door Civic hybrid as a platform. It uses as good as the same K20 unit that is in the Integra DC5 but with a slightly different inlet manifold, air box, etc, and slightly more aggresive cams. I would love one, absolutely stunning, maybe a in a few years time I'll have one like many of the other techs aswell, best bit of engineering Honda have produced in a long time, just a shame we can't get them from a dealer here.....actually we got a DC5 for one of our customers when they first came out....could maybe get a FD2 but I think I've given away enough secrets already!
So really it's the same as the EP3, as the DC5 has pretty much the same differences to the EP3 engine.So really it's the same as the EP3, as the DC5 has pretty much the same differences to the EP3 engine.
Well to a certain extent, the EP3 was the first of the K20 bunch ( performance wise as it was used in the CR-V's aswell, block wise anyway ), so, like any other manufacturers, when they produce a new a car using a similar engine, bit like audi with their a3's and tt's, they always make slight changes to the engine. So when the DC5 was released with what looked like the same engine, it was not the case, the airflow was massively improved through better and more direct air-intake through to a more precise inlet manifold, more aggressive cams, valves, retainers, etc which in turn, gave it the more BHP. And then so on with the FD2, little tweaks & touches here and there. Performance wise the EP3 and FN2 are more on par with each other with very similar cams, etc, and the FD2 and DC5 run similar wise with a very more aggressive cross-over point into v-tec. The FD2 is the daddy of the bunch ( imo ), as it the last of the K20 units to be used / built( apart from the Mugen RR, etc ), and utilizes the best of the lot! Honda are now going down the route with the CR-Z, Mugen are heavily involved with it in Japan, but I think it'll be a loooong time until we can appreciate anything from a dealer, performance wise anyway.
Well to a certain extent, the EP3 was the first of the K20 bunch ( performance wise as it was used in the CR-V's aswell, block wise anyway ), so, like any other manufacturers, when they produce a new a car using a similar engine, bit like audi with their a3's and tt's, they always make slight changes to the engine. So when the DC5 was released with what looked like the same engine, it was not the case, the airflow was massively improved through better and more direct air-intake through to a more precise inlet manifold, more aggressive cams, valves, retainers, etc which in turn, gave it the more BHP. And then so on with the FD2, little tweaks & touches here and there. Performance wise the EP3 and FN2 are more on par with each other with very similar cams, etc, and the FD2 and DC5 run similar wise with a very more aggressive cross-over point into v-tec. The FD2 is the daddy of the bunch ( imo ), as it the last of the K20 units to be used / built( apart from the Mugen RR, etc ), and utilizes the best of the lot! Honda are now going down the route with the CR-Z, Mugen are heavily involved with it in Japan, but I think it'll be a loooong time until we can appreciate anything from a dealer, performance wise anyway.
titchtalks said:
more aggressive cross-over point into v-tec.
Not sure how you can describe a cross over point as "agressive"? The VTEC kick is actually a drop in torque that was programmed in to the ECU maps and is evident on all dyno chart runs as a dip during changeover to the second cam profile. Honda had the opportunity to map that drop in torque out but chose to keep it as a throw back to the B series daysEP3 K20A2 changeover is 5800
FN2 K20Z4 changeover is 5400
DC5 K20A changeover is 5800
FD2 K20A changeover is 5400
Yes, that's what I meant, the feeling / tone / kick at cross-over point. At some point through-out the last few years, the tech's in work have owned EP3's, FN2's and one had a DC5. It you were to jump from the EP3 to the DC5 straight away and bring in the v-tec, it gives the impression / feeling the when the vtec comes in it feels more aggressive or harder or whatever way you want to put it ( mind you every one of them had a drop in panel filter, but that was all ) Likewise when we had the FD2 in, the feeling / tone at cross over felt more aggressive or blatant to the FN2 & DC5 But the FD2 is about 80kg's lighter than the FN2 and has roughly 25bhp more than the FN2 ( 197bhp - FN2 / 222bhp - FD2 / 217bhp - DC5 ), so it's maybe down to the impression or feeling that you get??? I think the drop in torque as earlier stated has alot to do with it though, more the feeling and tone that you perceive?
It's been a long day in the garage so I do apologize if I've typed nothing but dribble!!
It's been a long day in the garage so I do apologize if I've typed nothing but dribble!!
I was under the impression the drop in torque is only present on the older B series, though the K20 has more power and torque low down.
The VTEC point on a standard DC5 is 6000rpm.
Don't really notice much of a kick at all on my DC5, just more noise and more acceleration. it was more pronounced in my EP3 like i said.
The VTEC point on a standard DC5 is 6000rpm.
Don't really notice much of a kick at all on my DC5, just more noise and more acceleration. it was more pronounced in my EP3 like i said.
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