S2000 Wheels - disgraceful
Discussion
OK so I have an 04 S2K GT in moonrock with the red and black interior.
Anyway, the wheels are a disgrace. Even though they have been very slightly kerbed during the cars life, they have what appears to be corrosion all over the shop (even where kerbing would not be possible).
I am thinking of selling her in the sping and dont want to sell her in that state as it looks terrible. Therefore, I am thinking of getting the wheels refurbed.
I believe as standard they are painted on the sides of the spokes but the front of the spokes is diamond cut and laquered. I reckon it is the failure of the laquer that is causing my problems.
I am thinking of getting them either refurbed in either satin black or back to standard. Can anyone advise as to whether black would look good/better than standard and/or would it reduce the value of the car (as it would no longer be totally standard) or would it be better just to go standard?
Can anyone recommend a wheel refubishment specialist in the leeds area which could do either option?
Anyway, the wheels are a disgrace. Even though they have been very slightly kerbed during the cars life, they have what appears to be corrosion all over the shop (even where kerbing would not be possible).
I am thinking of selling her in the sping and dont want to sell her in that state as it looks terrible. Therefore, I am thinking of getting the wheels refurbed.
I believe as standard they are painted on the sides of the spokes but the front of the spokes is diamond cut and laquered. I reckon it is the failure of the laquer that is causing my problems.
I am thinking of getting them either refurbed in either satin black or back to standard. Can anyone advise as to whether black would look good/better than standard and/or would it reduce the value of the car (as it would no longer be totally standard) or would it be better just to go standard?
Can anyone recommend a wheel refubishment specialist in the leeds area which could do either option?
I wouldn't do black - too marmite a colour, will put some potential buyers off.
Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
havoc said:
I wouldn't do black - too marmite a colour, will put some potential buyers off.
Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
Cheers havoc. They really do look bad though. To be honest, I've wanted them to be black myself for ages because I think it would look ace. But like you said, it is potentially very much a matter of taste, so if i'm going to sell her in the near(ish) future, it's probably a bad Idea. I thought that the standard finish was a bit special though and had thought that it would be rather more than £160 get them refurbed properly??Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
My S2000 wheels were similar, it's a known issue and yes, they can be a bugger to put right but.........
I simply had mine polished before sale, the kerbing was removed and the corrosion polished out too. They looked brand new and the price difference was huge. The full re-furb was quoted at $350 per wheel (gives an indication of how hard it can be to sort) the polish job at the same place was $50 per wheel (about a 20GBP). The drawback is that you must stay on top of cleaning and drying after washing and I also used a spray on protectant to help keep them nice. Advise the new owner of this and you can sleep well too.
HTH.
I simply had mine polished before sale, the kerbing was removed and the corrosion polished out too. They looked brand new and the price difference was huge. The full re-furb was quoted at $350 per wheel (gives an indication of how hard it can be to sort) the polish job at the same place was $50 per wheel (about a 20GBP). The drawback is that you must stay on top of cleaning and drying after washing and I also used a spray on protectant to help keep them nice. Advise the new owner of this and you can sleep well too.
HTH.
Edited by cheddar on Monday 9th August 22:31
hahithestevieboy said:
havoc said:
I wouldn't do black - too marmite a colour, will put some potential buyers off.
Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
Cheers havoc. They really do look bad though. To be honest, I've wanted them to be black myself for ages because I think it would look ace. But like you said, it is potentially very much a matter of taste, so if i'm going to sell her in the near(ish) future, it's probably a bad Idea. I thought that the standard finish was a bit special though and had thought that it would be rather more than £160 get them refurbed properly??Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
Why spend top-dollar yourself getting them done when you can offer a discount and the buyer can then choose what to do - you both win!
Yeah, black does look good and if I was going to keep the car for any length of time then I would definately have them done (almost certainly in black). Black wheels do seem to be in fasion at the moment though.
Thing is that they are getting worse and he winter is coming up. In the main the corrosion appeared last winter and has steadily gotten worse. I wonder about the polish job as it seems that it is not that robust and I will not be having time to meticulously clean and care for the wheels.
I do think though for the ammount it would cost, it is probably better to sell and imaculate car rather than one with numerous little cosmetic blemishes.
I think I will have to go and see a wheel specialist to see exactly what the options are...
Thing is that they are getting worse and he winter is coming up. In the main the corrosion appeared last winter and has steadily gotten worse. I wonder about the polish job as it seems that it is not that robust and I will not be having time to meticulously clean and care for the wheels.
I do think though for the ammount it would cost, it is probably better to sell and imaculate car rather than one with numerous little cosmetic blemishes.
I think I will have to go and see a wheel specialist to see exactly what the options are...
havoc said:
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
This was a negotiation point yesterday. During my research I picked up that many of the wheels are corroded. I argued it would £300 to put right, so we split the difference.I was actually thinking about getting them done black, but the wife poopoo'd that one right away. She made some noises along the line of it being her car or something like that...all i heard was a high pitched tone at that point.
How much work is involved in getting them back to standard shininess? Is it a straight forward job for a wheel specialist, or do I find the best chap recommended to me and pay the extra?
hondafanatic said:
How much work is involved in getting them back to standard shininess? Is it a straight forward job for a wheel specialist, or do I find the best chap recommended to me and pay the extra?
As I understand it, it's the diamond-cutting of the faces that is the tricky bit to get right. Either that or the lacquering of them afterwards (if not done properly then crap will get under the lacquer straight-away, which is the 'corrosion' you're seeing - I'd wager most of it is just separation of the lacquer).So if you want to keep them standard (and shiny), then find somewhere which has a reputation for diamond-cut alloys - asking the M3 owners might be a good starting point...
havoc said:
hondafanatic said:
How much work is involved in getting them back to standard shininess? Is it a straight forward job for a wheel specialist, or do I find the best chap recommended to me and pay the extra?
As I understand it, it's the diamond-cutting of the faces that is the tricky bit to get right. Either that or the lacquering of them afterwards (if not done properly then crap will get under the lacquer straight-away, which is the 'corrosion' you're seeing - I'd wager most of it is just separation of the lacquer).So if you want to keep them standard (and shiny), then find somewhere which has a reputation for diamond-cut alloys - asking the M3 owners might be a good starting point...
havoc said:
hondafanatic said:
How much work is involved in getting them back to standard shininess? Is it a straight forward job for a wheel specialist, or do I find the best chap recommended to me and pay the extra?
As I understand it, it's the diamond-cutting of the faces that is the tricky bit to get right. Either that or the lacquering of them afterwards (if not done properly then crap will get under the lacquer straight-away, which is the 'corrosion' you're seeing - I'd wager most of it is just separation of the lacquer).So if you want to keep them standard (and shiny), then find somewhere which has a reputation for diamond-cut alloys - asking the M3 owners might be a good starting point...
Apparently there is a top notch chap in halifax
havoc said:
I wouldn't do black - too marmite a colour, will put some potential buyers off.
Two options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
Good planTwo options:-
1) Refurb back to standard.
2) Don't refurb, advertise it honestly and say the wheels need refurbing but you've left it for the next owner to decide what to do with them, and you'll knock £160 off the asking price (for example - 4x £40).
S2000 wheels are known to be a nightmare for this (much like M3 alloys), so yours won't be the only one.
ALL diamond cut wheels seem to suffer it, maybe the lacquer does not adhere too well.
I'd did a set in graphite and had the faces recut. Looked good.
Once the lacquer is broken on the rim the moisture will set in at various places around the rim making it look scabby.
I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
Edited by ajg31 on Thursday 12th August 13:30
ajg31 said:
Once the lacquer is broken on the rim the moisture will set in at various places around the rim making it look scabby.
I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
I like those - how much did it cost you?I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
Edited by ajg31 on Thursday 12th August 13:30
hondafanatic said:
ajg31 said:
Once the lacquer is broken on the rim the moisture will set in at various places around the rim making it look scabby.
I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
I like those - how much did it cost you?I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
Edited by ajg31 on Thursday 12th August 13:30
cheddar said:
hondafanatic said:
ajg31 said:
Once the lacquer is broken on the rim the moisture will set in at various places around the rim making it look scabby.
I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
I like those - how much did it cost you?I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
Edited by ajg31 on Thursday 12th August 13:30
(other than the respray of course)Dracoro said:
cheddar said:
hondafanatic said:
ajg31 said:
Once the lacquer is broken on the rim the moisture will set in at various places around the rim making it look scabby.
I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
I like those - how much did it cost you?I have a red car and refurbed my 04 wheels in anthracite with high metallic content. In the shade they look dark and in the sun they look a few shades darker than standard. I had them painted not powdercoated. I just looked through a book of 200 colours at the bodyshop and did a random pick. Worked out well, but i wish i had the 04 rims done in white like the ford frozen white they use on recent cars.
Edited by ajg31 on Thursday 12th August 13:30
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