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Oh "Performance car" must be wrong then??
Does a UK EP3 have a seam welded chasis and standard LSD like an EK9?
Joking aside I actually like the EP3, but cant help thinking they took a step backwards, the newer one i like the look of (not sure on chassis code), but that 200bhp engines been out 9 years I wish Honda would pull there finger out like in the old days!!
They do a saloon Civic in Japan thats 240BHP, and buy all accounts its a cracker, the Mugan version looks great.
Oh "Performance car" must be wrong then??
Does a UK EP3 have a seam welded chasis and standard LSD like an EK9?
Joking aside I actually like the EP3, but cant help thinking they took a step backwards, the newer one i like the look of (not sure on chassis code), but that 200bhp engines been out 9 years I wish Honda would pull there finger out like in the old days!!
They do a saloon Civic in Japan thats 240BHP, and buy all accounts its a cracker, the Mugan version looks great.
I never said it was the best ! 
Its a good compromise and its easy to drive day to day and i like the way they look 
I do agree Honda are going backwards fast, they need to do as Renault have done really but without FI, the Japs always get the best stuff anyway
If i don't get a S2000 next i do think ill be staying with Honda for my next purchase, whenever that is !
Its a good compromise and its easy to drive day to day and i like the way they look I do agree Honda are going backwards fast, they need to do as Renault have done really but without FI, the Japs always get the best stuff anyway
If i don't get a S2000 next i do think ill be staying with Honda for my next purchase, whenever that is !
Martin_Hx said:
I never said it was the best ! Its a good compromise and its easy to drive day to day and i like the way they look
I do agree Honda are going backwards fast, they need to do as Renault have done really but without FI, the Japs always get the best stuff anyway
If i don't get a S2000 next i do think ill be staying with Honda for my next purchase, whenever that is !
NSX Its a good compromise and its easy to drive day to day and i like the way they look I do agree Honda are going backwards fast, they need to do as Renault have done really but without FI, the Japs always get the best stuff anyway
If i don't get a S2000 next i do think ill be staying with Honda for my next purchase, whenever that is !
EK9 is an utter go-kart, is a hoot to drive, but is hard-work if you want to make progress off-cam.
EP3 is a better 'all-round car' than the EK9 and still has a decent chassis (although not up to the abilities of the EK9 and DC2), plus a sweeter gearchange. But it's missing the raw thrill of the older two cars, and the engine doesn't sound as good or feel quite as 'fit' (probably due to more weight, not much more power, and a muted VTEC cross-over).
Not driven an FN2 and have no plans to, either - in every way that matters to a 'driver' that car is a step backwards vs its predecessors.
I'll stick to my two Hondas, thanks, and will get (and tweak) an S2000 if I need a third...
EP3 is a better 'all-round car' than the EK9 and still has a decent chassis (although not up to the abilities of the EK9 and DC2), plus a sweeter gearchange. But it's missing the raw thrill of the older two cars, and the engine doesn't sound as good or feel quite as 'fit' (probably due to more weight, not much more power, and a muted VTEC cross-over).
Not driven an FN2 and have no plans to, either - in every way that matters to a 'driver' that car is a step backwards vs its predecessors.
I'll stick to my two Hondas, thanks, and will get (and tweak) an S2000 if I need a third...
havoc said:
EK9 is an utter go-kart, is a hoot to drive, but is hard-work if you want to make progress off-cam.
EP3 is a better 'all-round car' than the EK9 and still has a decent chassis (although not up to the abilities of the EK9 and DC2), plus a sweeter gearchange. But it's missing the raw thrill of the older two cars, and the engine doesn't sound as good or feel quite as 'fit' (probably due to more weight, not much more power, and a muted VTEC cross-over).
Not driven an FN2 and have no plans to, either - in every way that matters to a 'driver' that car is a step backwards vs its predecessors.
I'll stick to my two Hondas, thanks, and will get (and tweak) an S2000 if I need a third...
For a hot hatch the EK9 is hard to beat, but as you say its hard work all the time, and I think I am getting old, hence why I sold it. I was using it on long motorway trips and it was pretty noisy sat at 5000 revs all the time,EP3 is a better 'all-round car' than the EK9 and still has a decent chassis (although not up to the abilities of the EK9 and DC2), plus a sweeter gearchange. But it's missing the raw thrill of the older two cars, and the engine doesn't sound as good or feel quite as 'fit' (probably due to more weight, not much more power, and a muted VTEC cross-over).
Not driven an FN2 and have no plans to, either - in every way that matters to a 'driver' that car is a step backwards vs its predecessors.
I'll stick to my two Hondas, thanks, and will get (and tweak) an S2000 if I need a third...
nottyash said:
Martin_Hx said:
I never said it was the best ! Its a good compromise and its easy to drive day to day and i like the way they look
I do agree Honda are going backwards fast, they need to do as Renault have done really but without FI, the Japs always get the best stuff anyway
If i don't get a S2000 next i do think ill be staying with Honda for my next purchase, whenever that is !
NSX Its a good compromise and its easy to drive day to day and i like the way they look I do agree Honda are going backwards fast, they need to do as Renault have done really but without FI, the Japs always get the best stuff anyway
If i don't get a S2000 next i do think ill be staying with Honda for my next purchase, whenever that is !
havoc said:
EK9 is an utter go-kart, is a hoot to drive, but is hard-work if you want to make progress off-cam.
EP3 is a better 'all-round car' than the EK9 and still has a decent chassis (although not up to the abilities of the EK9 and DC2), plus a sweeter gearchange. But it's missing the raw thrill of the older two cars, and the engine doesn't sound as good or feel quite as 'fit' (probably due to more weight, not much more power, and a muted VTEC cross-over).
Not driven an FN2 and have no plans to, either - in every way that matters to a 'driver' that car is a step backwards vs its predecessors.
I'll stick to my two Hondas, thanks, and will get (and tweak) an S2000 if I need a third...
I think your being very blind with the FN2EP3 is a better 'all-round car' than the EK9 and still has a decent chassis (although not up to the abilities of the EK9 and DC2), plus a sweeter gearchange. But it's missing the raw thrill of the older two cars, and the engine doesn't sound as good or feel quite as 'fit' (probably due to more weight, not much more power, and a muted VTEC cross-over).
Not driven an FN2 and have no plans to, either - in every way that matters to a 'driver' that car is a step backwards vs its predecessors.
I'll stick to my two Hondas, thanks, and will get (and tweak) an S2000 if I need a third...
the FN2 was built to allow you to go to drive to italy in comfort with all the gadgets of a modern car, but still be a great racer round a track, and i think you follow in the words of clarkson to much aswell. The guy has no clue on ride comfort. Its not a step backwards actually its almost .2 in the times (0-60) and well i don't think .2 of sec is going to matter is it now. I had the to live with ep3 typer for 4 weeks and found it great to drive about but the seats in the fn2 are nicer, more boot (big plus for me for my tools of my trade) and i feel a bit more nosier on the motorway.
Edited by Robert Burns on Friday 9th July 20:15
Robert Burns said:
I think your being very blind with the FN2
the FN2 was built to allow you to go to drive to italy in comfort with all the gadgets of a modern car, but still be a great racer round a track, and i think you follow in the words of clarkson to much aswell. The guy has no clue on ride comfort. Its not a step backwards actually its almost .2 in the times (0-60) and well i don't think .2 of sec is going to matter is it now. I had the to live with ep3 typer for 4 weeks and found it great to drive about but the seats in the fn2 are nicer, more boot (big plus for me for my tools of my trade) and i feel a bit more nosier on the motorway.
the FN2 was built to allow you to go to drive to italy in comfort with all the gadgets of a modern car, but still be a great racer round a track, and i think you follow in the words of clarkson to much aswell. The guy has no clue on ride comfort. Its not a step backwards actually its almost .2 in the times (0-60) and well i don't think .2 of sec is going to matter is it now. I had the to live with ep3 typer for 4 weeks and found it great to drive about but the seats in the fn2 are nicer, more boot (big plus for me for my tools of my trade) and i feel a bit more nosier on the motorway.
In English???I think what you're trying to tell me is that the FN is a more 'everyday usable' Type-R. Which, to be frank, is surely contrary to the Type-R philosophy! Which would suggest, if true, that the FN2 is a good 'Type-S' or VTi, but it's not a Type-R.
Re: ride quality - my ITR and NSX ride better than the S2000 and the EP3 (and better than the wife's "everyday" Golf GTi on 18"s!). That the FN2 comes on 18"s with even more ribbon-profile tyres than the Golf leaves me with little hope for its ride-quality, to be frank. Which means it's not going to be a good Type-S.
So I stand by my comments - the FN2 is a step-backwards in every way that matters to a 'driver'!
(Oh, and FYI I used my first DC2 as a sole car for 3 years and >50k miles, commuting all over the Midlands and beyond as an auditor.)
havoc said:
I think what you're trying to tell me is that the FN is a more 'everyday usable' Type-R. Which, to be frank, is surely contrary to the Type-R philosophy! Which would suggest, if true, that the FN2 is a good 'Type-S' or VTi, but it's not a Type-R.
What im saying is that the type r has had to move up with the focus's an golfs now. where the are more a everyday car aswell as fun on the back roads at the weekend, its also tried to move away from having the type r been "oo look here, the local ned" to a more sensiable owner.i find with the fn2 champ white i feel alot more safer on the backroads round scotland with the lsd over the ep3. i feel i can put the foot down and know im not going to understeer. but i can also go out in it with friends and they are not squashed in the back unlike in the ep3. i can be driving and have a friend over 6ft 4 sit in back comfortably. but also pack the car up and go on a road trip for 2 weeks.
Also the champ white looks amazing in the fn2 shape.
Robert Burns said:
havoc said:
I think what you're trying to tell me is that the FN is a more 'everyday usable' Type-R. Which, to be frank, is surely contrary to the Type-R philosophy! Which would suggest, if true, that the FN2 is a good 'Type-S' or VTi, but it's not a Type-R.
What im saying is that the type r has had to move up with the focus's an golfs now. where the are more a everyday car aswell as fun on the back roads at the weekend, its also tried to move away from having the type r been "oo look here, the local ned" to a more sensiable owner.i find with the fn2 champ white i feel alot more safer on the backroads round scotland with the lsd over the ep3. i feel i can put the foot down and know im not going to understeer. but i can also go out in it with friends and they are not squashed in the back unlike in the ep3. i can be driving and have a friend over 6ft 4 sit in back comfortably. but also pack the car up and go on a road trip for 2 weeks.
Also the champ white looks amazing in the fn2 shape.
The original Type-Rs were supposed to be engineering showcases with big concessions to ground covering ability at the expense of NVH comfort. What began with the Accord Type-R was a process of using the reputation built by the first 'R types' to cash in on the marketing effort. THe EP3 and now FN2 are respectively further and further diluted from that original ethos.
That isn't to say it's a bad car per se, none of them are; it is just that the original Type-R cars were not fettered with trying to be socially acceptable to the point of just being a marketing badge. The current Type-R unfortunately is.
hondafanatic][cough]FD2[/cough said:
It's like the DC2 Vs DC5; The later car is faster and easier to live with, but is that what it's all about?
I just wish Honda had waited a bit longer with the Type-R branding before cashing in.
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