advice needed chipping a civic type R
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a friend at work who has decided that his type R (54 plate i think) for some reason needs chipping but he has liitle or no info on what to expect as in power in crease , how much it is likely to cost or even where to go to get it done !
a tall order but i am sure somebody here has some good advice , he is based in west sussex
a tall order but i am sure somebody here has some good advice , he is based in west sussex
I know very little but will give you a rough idea.
K-Pro Remappable Ecu = £1000
10-15% BHP increase So about 215-220
Best results with a decat/or performance exhaust system (not just the boom box either!), + V2 Air intake-£250
Could expect 235BHP and 185+lbs Torque
Set up £200.....
Really its a £1500+ set up which is quite expensive really......
This is what i have been lead to belive when looking at it on the Civic Type R forum....
soemone please correct me and tell me it is possible for about 500!?
GW
K-Pro Remappable Ecu = £1000
10-15% BHP increase So about 215-220
Best results with a decat/or performance exhaust system (not just the boom box either!), + V2 Air intake-£250
Could expect 235BHP and 185+lbs Torque
Set up £200.....
Really its a £1500+ set up which is quite expensive really......
This is what i have been lead to belive when looking at it on the Civic Type R forum....
soemone please correct me and tell me it is possible for about 500!?
GW
http://www.cplracing.co.uk are apparently 'the best' for tuning Type-R's although I have never used them.
http://www.cplracing.co.uk/index.php?id=42
States on that page it is £641 for the expensive one £415 for the cheap one.
http://www.cplracing.co.uk/products.php?action=det... This page should give you idea of gains you can expect.
http://www.cplracing.co.uk/index.php?id=42
States on that page it is £641 for the expensive one £415 for the cheap one.
http://www.cplracing.co.uk/products.php?action=det... This page should give you idea of gains you can expect.
TheStig1984 said:
http://www.cplracing.co.uk are apparently 'the best' for tuning Type-R's although I have never used them.
I wouldn't believe everything you hear 
The k20a2 is already producing 100bhp/ltr so meaningful gains aren't going to come cheap!
£1000 for ecu
£500+ for manifold
£500+ for exhaust
£250+ for intake
£400+ for mapping
Then you're looking at cams / stroker kits / turbo / supercharging...
Revs_Addiction said:
The k20a2 is already producing 100bhp/ltr so meaningful gains aren't going to come cheap!
So true.I love these people who think that 'chipping' a highly-tuned n/a engine is going to make a difference. The computer generation really don't have a clue as to how a car really works, do they? They just want it to look good, sound good and feel like it's accelerating quickly (achieved by certain german marques by 'tuning' the torque curve to give great slabs of it all at once, particularly in TDi's). Oh, and they prefer grip over handling because the TV tells them the lap times are lower.
Morons...utter morons!!!
havoc said:
Revs_Addiction said:
The k20a2 is already producing 100bhp/ltr so meaningful gains aren't going to come cheap!
So true.I love these people who think that 'chipping' a highly-tuned n/a engine is going to make a difference. The computer generation really don't have a clue as to how a car really works, do they? They just want it to look good, sound good and feel like it's accelerating quickly (achieved by certain german marques by 'tuning' the torque curve to give great slabs of it all at once, particularly in TDi's). Oh, and they prefer grip over handling because the TV tells them the lap times are lower.
Morons...utter morons!!!
GW
There is no easy conversion to JDM spec. The cost of the OEM parts and the effort involved means you'd be better off buying even higher spec third party parts for even bigger gains at a relatively similar cost.
The JDM engine uses a lot of different parts (think cams, inlet and exhaust manifolds and cat for starters) and different mapping to work best with the emmission regulations in Japan, which aren't as tight as they are in Europe. The mapping also takes into account the differing fuel in Japan.
If you want the car to go faster in a straight line, you're better off spending the money on either turbocharging or supercharging, otherwise you're going to be spending a LOT of money making changes that will give very small improvements.
If it was my money, I'd be looking at ways to make the car lighter and more responsive, and largely leave the engine alone, as it's a stronger part of the package than the weight and handling.
The JDM engine uses a lot of different parts (think cams, inlet and exhaust manifolds and cat for starters) and different mapping to work best with the emmission regulations in Japan, which aren't as tight as they are in Europe. The mapping also takes into account the differing fuel in Japan.
If you want the car to go faster in a straight line, you're better off spending the money on either turbocharging or supercharging, otherwise you're going to be spending a LOT of money making changes that will give very small improvements.
If it was my money, I'd be looking at ways to make the car lighter and more responsive, and largely leave the engine alone, as it's a stronger part of the package than the weight and handling.
Can't really add to what Dan's said.
There ARE tuning parts for the K20A (quite a few of them), but you won't get cheap power from it (unlike its turbocharged competitors). So you either throw lots of money at it to make it a mega-n/asp engine, lots of money to turbo or super-charge it, or you do what Dan suggests and you look at the weight and handling.
IMHO the CTR isn't slow to start with - it just doesn't give the same kick as a turbo'd car, so it feels different, plus you have to work to get the power from it. That suits some people and not others...
There ARE tuning parts for the K20A (quite a few of them), but you won't get cheap power from it (unlike its turbocharged competitors). So you either throw lots of money at it to make it a mega-n/asp engine, lots of money to turbo or super-charge it, or you do what Dan suggests and you look at the weight and handling.
IMHO the CTR isn't slow to start with - it just doesn't give the same kick as a turbo'd car, so it feels different, plus you have to work to get the power from it. That suits some people and not others...
Really Type-R hondas arent the best choice for someone wanting big power/torque on the cheap. The appeal as I see it with these cars is the fact they are so good out of the box.
Personally I'd also prefer to look at ways to lighten the car and improve the handling, as I personally thought the CTR EP3 I drove was a relatively poor handling car. Sure it was safe, had lots of grip and could cover ground quickly, but it also felt lacking in responses and lifeless and artificial in the steering, and the traction wasnt all it could be IMO.
I think if I had one I'd look into stripping out some weight and putting an LSD on it, but I'm not sure how I'd address the steering issues, if indeed, you can. I'd actually heard that the JDM version has normal hydraulic PAS, so that would be good to have.
Personally I'd also prefer to look at ways to lighten the car and improve the handling, as I personally thought the CTR EP3 I drove was a relatively poor handling car. Sure it was safe, had lots of grip and could cover ground quickly, but it also felt lacking in responses and lifeless and artificial in the steering, and the traction wasnt all it could be IMO.
I think if I had one I'd look into stripping out some weight and putting an LSD on it, but I'm not sure how I'd address the steering issues, if indeed, you can. I'd actually heard that the JDM version has normal hydraulic PAS, so that would be good to have.
Been down the tuning road on a previous NA car. It was pretty much a futile exercise apart from getting the engine to sound better. The long and the short of it after much reading seems to be - spend LOTS on engine mods that will provide at best 15% gains, or spend LOTS on putting a turbo or supercharger on a 200bhp car that is front wheel drive and has no LSD. Chances are, after making one of these conversions you will spend huge amounts more in fuel and rubber.
Why not enjoy the car for what it is - try making it lighter, try a less restrictive exhaust, but save up the money if you want something that is verging on superfast and buy a different car. The EP3 Type R is a phenomenal technical acheivement - I have tried loads of other hot hatches that are far more expensive (albeit including better levels of trim) but none have been as involving or as exciting to drive for such a (relatively) small outlay. The car is great already and unless you have lots of spare cash, just enjoy it for what it is!
Why not enjoy the car for what it is - try making it lighter, try a less restrictive exhaust, but save up the money if you want something that is verging on superfast and buy a different car. The EP3 Type R is a phenomenal technical acheivement - I have tried loads of other hot hatches that are far more expensive (albeit including better levels of trim) but none have been as involving or as exciting to drive for such a (relatively) small outlay. The car is great already and unless you have lots of spare cash, just enjoy it for what it is!
Edited by sevros1981 on Saturday 14th March 12:28
As every one has posted suggesting the same thing, i think the engine is going to be left as is. I would like a full exhaust system and some trick air intake though. I know the AEM V2 is very good, its still going to be a grand for a full exhaust (steel or titanium!) and a well sorted cold air intake.... With possible 8-15bhp power gains.... seems a tad expensive.....
Can anyone reccomend a good exhaust sytem thats not too loud... i'm not into pico boxes and such!!!
Can anyone reccomend a good exhaust sytem thats not too loud... i'm not into pico boxes and such!!!
GingerWizard said:
havoc said:
Revs_Addiction said:
The k20a2 is already producing 100bhp/ltr so meaningful gains aren't going to come cheap!
So true.I love these people who think that 'chipping' a highly-tuned n/a engine is going to make a difference. The computer generation really don't have a clue as to how a car really works, do they? They just want it to look good, sound good and feel like it's accelerating quickly (achieved by certain german marques by 'tuning' the torque curve to give great slabs of it all at once, particularly in TDi's). Oh, and they prefer grip over handling because the TV tells them the lap times are lower.
Morons...utter morons!!!
GW
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