Discussion
I am when I get my car back....(see other topic..)I'm going to need some new pads and possibly discs at some point.
I have heard very good reports off the civic type R bunch about Ferodo DS2500 pads. But what about disks and callipers? I quite like the idea of having "immense" stopping power, but what would you recommend? I am going to a few track days but they need to be usable day to day around town. I don't want squeeking and no "cold feel/bite" There are quite a few derivatives for sale on eBay but I am not too sure... I have had a look around the obvious places but wanted to see what people here had to add.
The prices vary massively, a full 300-330mm (cannot remember specifics! it’s early!) Brembo 6 pot set up is 3 grand.... and you get something that looks nice off eBay for 300 quid! Now I am not stupid enough to believe you’re not paying for the name with the Brembo’s to a certain extent, and also the 300 quid jobbies are likly to have the composition of pie tins...
Where is the middle ground? Basically I would like slightly bigger brakes up front, without going stupid. Durability, aesthetically pleasing to the eye, drilled and grooved possibly (eye pleasing, but must be of benefit!)
And what sort of cash are we talking? I had a figure of £550 in my head plus the pads... am i being reasonable.
I have 05' EP3 CTR by the way.....
3 things:
- Decent blank disks, either OEM or EBC will be fine
- Decent pads. I used to use Mintex 1155s. They're not strictly road legal, but they're fine when they're cold
- Decent brake fluid. Castrol SRF is quite expensive, but very, very good. Still only half the price of a decent set of brake pads
The above will see you doing open pit trackdays with no problems at all.
- Decent blank disks, either OEM or EBC will be fine
- Decent pads. I used to use Mintex 1155s. They're not strictly road legal, but they're fine when they're cold
- Decent brake fluid. Castrol SRF is quite expensive, but very, very good. Still only half the price of a decent set of brake pads
The above will see you doing open pit trackdays with no problems at all.
10p speaks sense. I'm running Mintex blanks and DS2500, have been for the past two years. My only gripe with DS2500s is that after a hard trackday they can leave a lot of material on the discs, making them feel warped. It wears off eventually but can be annoying for a while. I'm running plain DOT4, yet the brakes haven't got upset on a summers day trackday so far, the pads doing most of the work.
You don't *need* massive calipers for a CTR imo, the standard setup with improved pads/fluid should be adequate. Having said that, an old mate of mine ran his Clio Willy with Willwood four pots on the front, and they were impressive!
You don't *need* massive calipers for a CTR imo, the standard setup with improved pads/fluid should be adequate. Having said that, an old mate of mine ran his Clio Willy with Willwood four pots on the front, and they were impressive!
Agree with Dan and Barry.
One question - will S2000 front disks fit the CTR (are they the same?!?) - the S is about the same weight as the CTR and with DS2500's on it feels all you'd ever need on the road...not sure whether it'd put up with heavy track-use, so depends how many track-days you plan to do...
One question - will S2000 front disks fit the CTR (are they the same?!?) - the S is about the same weight as the CTR and with DS2500's on it feels all you'd ever need on the road...not sure whether it'd put up with heavy track-use, so depends how many track-days you plan to do...
One thing to consider- if you do go for very aggressive pads, they will monster the disks more than the OEM ones and if you do trackdays, the pads will wear out quickly if you're hard on the brakes.
I had the Mintex 1155s on my Mk2 CRX and they were dead within 3000 miles, most of which was track days, however.
I had the Mintex 1155s on my Mk2 CRX and they were dead within 3000 miles, most of which was track days, however.
GingerWizard said:
right that brings another thing to mind, i don't want super aggressive pads but something more then standard. If Honda pads are 5/10 i want something around a 7/10.. crude explanation but Havoc, Dan and Barry you get my drift.
What pads then.....?
Rob
Either Mintex 1144s (if they still do them) or Ferodo 2500s should do the trick.What pads then.....?
Rob
Just as a rule of thumb, especially with track days, people often get mistaken about what they need to do with brakes. They do a few laps, the temperature levels in the braking system start going through the roof and they automatically assume the car needs 'bigger' brakes (be that disk size, calipers, braided lines and so on).
Typically, it's a combination of the standard brake fluid not coping with the temperature, the pads fading due to heat and the tyres not coping well at high temperature. See the pattern?
For most cars, it's not the 'size' of the braking system that needs improving, it's the way it deals with the kind of heat a trackday/ driving too quickly on the roads generates.
This is why I suggest you try fluid and pads as the first thing to change.
They won't bring about a change in normal driving; the outright 'one stop from cold' stopping power won't be altered too much, but the way the brakes keep a constant behaviour under high temperatures is what you're looking for.
Once you've tried that, which will cost relatively little, you can then judge whether the investment of over a thousand pounds to improve your calipers and so on will be money well spent. In my experience it's rarely necessary unless you're going to be turning your car into a track weapon.
Spot on post by Dan.
I've had both 1144's and 2500's on my 'tegs, and there's little to pick between them - the 2500's seem to produce a little less dust, but maybe give a little less 'feel' to the pedal (both better than OE though).
Definitely change the brake fluid for some Super-DOT4 or some Dot 5.1, and if you're doing track-days change it every year or every time you boil it*. Above all remember it's still a road car and not to do more than 10-15mins without a proper cool-down lap or coming in for a break.
One thing that may help (if you do it properly) is some brake ducts directing some cooling air onto the inside face of the front discs.
* Different to just the pedal going squishy.
I've had both 1144's and 2500's on my 'tegs, and there's little to pick between them - the 2500's seem to produce a little less dust, but maybe give a little less 'feel' to the pedal (both better than OE though).
Definitely change the brake fluid for some Super-DOT4 or some Dot 5.1, and if you're doing track-days change it every year or every time you boil it*. Above all remember it's still a road car and not to do more than 10-15mins without a proper cool-down lap or coming in for a break.
One thing that may help (if you do it properly) is some brake ducts directing some cooling air onto the inside face of the front discs.
* Different to just the pedal going squishy.
Dan, Barry, Havoc.... what would you say to these....... Good value?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Civic-Type-R-EP3-Performance...
Rob
and what the hell are these!!!!????
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rotordisc-Front-Brake-Disc-H...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Civic-Type-R-EP3-Performance...
Rob
and what the hell are these!!!!????
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rotordisc-Front-Brake-Disc-H...
Edited by GingerWizard on Thursday 12th February 08:26
going by general consensus on ctro the best ep3 ctr brake combo is:-
upgraded brake lines (goodridge etc)
decent brake fluid
oem discs
ferodo or mintex pads
but all of subject to opinion
My ctr came with grooved fronts, OEM rear discs and ebc redstuff pads. Previous owner had said redstuff pads were good but not the best, but were on there because of low dust.
I've now got ferodo's all round and after bedding in properly are superb, there was a wow! moment when bedding them in and the difference from redstuff was huge, they’re still pretty good from cold, better when warm. I’d have to agree with the dust issue, the Ferodos are giving off a hell of a lot more dust now (more on rears?) and after not washing the wheels often enough over winter they are all pitted on the rims
upgraded brake lines (goodridge etc)
decent brake fluid
oem discs
ferodo or mintex pads
but all of subject to opinion
My ctr came with grooved fronts, OEM rear discs and ebc redstuff pads. Previous owner had said redstuff pads were good but not the best, but were on there because of low dust.
I've now got ferodo's all round and after bedding in properly are superb, there was a wow! moment when bedding them in and the difference from redstuff was huge, they’re still pretty good from cold, better when warm. I’d have to agree with the dust issue, the Ferodos are giving off a hell of a lot more dust now (more on rears?) and after not washing the wheels often enough over winter they are all pitted on the rims
havoc said:
Agree with Dan and Barry.
One question - will S2000 front disks fit the CTR (are they the same?!?) - the S is about the same weight as the CTR and with DS2500's on it feels all you'd ever need on the road...not sure whether it'd put up with heavy track-use, so depends how many track-days you plan to do...
FWIW - I run DS2500s front and standard rear pads on my s2000. At the ring over summer i could manage 3 laps on the bounce before they started to fade a little mid way through the 3rd lap. One question - will S2000 front disks fit the CTR (are they the same?!?) - the S is about the same weight as the CTR and with DS2500's on it feels all you'd ever need on the road...not sure whether it'd put up with heavy track-use, so depends how many track-days you plan to do...
EvoBarry said:
My only gripe with DS2500s is that after a hard trackday they can leave a lot of material on the discs, making them feel warped. It wears off eventually but can be annoying for a while.
Sorry for the thread resurrection chaps but a search has flagged up this thread as EvoBarry is describing the exact problem I'm having.I'm running DS2500 pads, Brembo HC discs, and uprated fluid (cannot remember what Dot!) on my 172 Cup. Did a day at Bedford on Monday and seem to have done my brakes some mischief.
My question is: how long will it take to wear off the material? and does it have to be done by 'normal' driving? As I don't do a great deal of that and if I can sort it out with a bit of hooning around that'll be just fine
(but I suspect this will only make the problem worse if I get the brakes hot before the uneven material on the discs has been cleared off).I've done a bit of reading up on this on the Stoptech website. It suggests to me the reason this may have happened is that the pads were not bedded in properly before I went out on track. They've been on the car for 10 months/10k and I did bed them in initially, but I think this may have been un-done somewhat by lots of town driving since then. Is this plausable? or is this issue unavoidable with this pad?
Any advice much appreciated
Clark Motorsport are worth a ring to discuss, they supply Ferodo pads and DBA discs and know their brakes.
www.clarkmotorsport.net or 01339885666 - ask for Ewen and tell them Tino sent you.
Cheers,
Tino
www.clarkmotorsport.net or 01339885666 - ask for Ewen and tell them Tino sent you.
Cheers,
Tino
Tinohead said:
Clark Motorsport are worth a ring to discuss, they supply Ferodo pads and DBA discs and know their brakes.
www.clarkmotorsport.net or 01339885666 - ask for Ewen and tell them Tino sent you.
Cheers,
Tino
I was given some DBA Gold drilled disks to assess when I had my CTR. Frankly they were rubbish and began to crack after less than 5000 miles.www.clarkmotorsport.net or 01339885666 - ask for Ewen and tell them Tino sent you.
Cheers,
Tino
John D. said:
EvoBarry said:
My only gripe with DS2500s is that after a hard trackday they can leave a lot of material on the discs, making them feel warped. It wears off eventually but can be annoying for a while.
Sorry for the thread resurrection chaps but a search has flagged up this thread as EvoBarry is describing the exact problem I'm having.I'm running DS2500 pads, Brembo HC discs, and uprated fluid (cannot remember what Dot!) on my 172 Cup. Did a day at Bedford on Monday and seem to have done my brakes some mischief.
My question is: how long will it take to wear off the material? and does it have to be done by 'normal' driving?
Any advice much appreciated
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