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Why do people (esp. the press) keep going "new NSX"?!? 
Honda may, just possibly (they're clever enough), be designing a different car. Just because most manufacturers design something to replace an outgoing model (or in the case of Porsche just give the old design a wash and brush-up), doesn't mean it's compulsory.
Personally, I'd like to see an NSX replacement. But I'll be just as happy to see some monster Ferrari-slayer (which would philosophically make it the replacement for the NSX) in any design...
Honda may, just possibly (they're clever enough), be designing a different car. Just because most manufacturers design something to replace an outgoing model (or in the case of Porsche just give the old design a wash and brush-up), doesn't mean it's compulsory.
Personally, I'd like to see an NSX replacement. But I'll be just as happy to see some monster Ferrari-slayer (which would philosophically make it the replacement for the NSX) in any design...
NoelWatson said:
I wonder if sales will hit double figures
NoelWatson said:
K20CRX said:
And they want to beat the GTR?
lolz!
In your dreams
I don't think that is unrealistic. What is unrealistic is expecting people to pay 100k when the Nissan is not much more than halflolz!
In your dreams
If Honda make the new "NSX" in the spirit of the original, then a different price point from the GT-R's could work.
If they were to emulate the GT-R but at a higher price, however, then it would have to be a better version. That route would be a mistake - we don't need the present GT-R, much less a "better" version of the same thing.
flemke said:
...we don't need the present GT-R, much less a "better" version of the same thing.
Without wanting to sound rude, I'm sure people 20 years ago said "we don't need the 959 and the F40" and some almost certainly said the same of the F1. Group B cars (slightly different, but still loosely 'homologated') were banned, FFS!So much as I view the latest uber-power 'ring-killer (surprisingly it's not the Germans for once, but Japan and the USA doing battle!) with as much skepticism and rolling of eyes as you, I will never complain when something quicker/cleverer/more revolutionary comes out...because when we start bemoaning them is when the legislators jump in and insert the thin end of the wedge to cut off the top of the supercar tree...and then we see how long before that wedge grows...
havoc said:
flemke said:
...we don't need the present GT-R, much less a "better" version of the same thing.
Without wanting to sound rude, I'm sure people 20 years ago said "we don't need the 959 and the F40" and some almost certainly said the same of the F1. Group B cars (slightly different, but still loosely 'homologated') were banned, FFS!So much as I view the latest uber-power 'ring-killer (surprisingly it's not the Germans for once, but Japan and the USA doing battle!) with as much skepticism and rolling of eyes as you, I will never complain when something quicker/cleverer/more revolutionary comes out...because when we start bemoaning them is when the legislators jump in and insert the thin end of the wedge to cut off the top of the supercar tree...and then we see how long before that wedge grows...
ISTM that the point of having a super-competent car must be for use in the circumstances when that competency is required. Yet with the public driving environment become ever-more restrictive, the need for that competency has diminished to almost nothing.
flemke said:
ISTM that the point of having a super-competent car must be for use in the circumstances when that competency is required. Yet with the public driving environment become ever-more restrictive, the need for that competency has diminished to almost nothing.
But then why own anything quick? A modern hot-hatch is IMHO too quick for most UK single-carriageway roads.For someone with (still arguably) the ultimate driver's supercar in his collection, you're sounding rather anit-supercar here!?!
K20CRX said:
The GTR is an awesome car, and is definitely on its way to become one of the best cars ever made.
And there is no way in hell or heaven that the new NSX will be able to even compete with it.
There just two different cars, in 2 different leagues.
Okaaay...And there is no way in hell or heaven that the new NSX will be able to even compete with it.
There just two different cars, in 2 different leagues.
Your assertion may be proved correct in a couple of years, but on what do you base your certitude today?
Two years before the GT-R became reality, no one without inside information would have speculated that it would be able to generate the dynamics of which it is capable today.
How would you yourself know that, two years in the future, Honda will not be able to do what Nissan has done, if not more?
Honda may not emulate the GT-R. They more likely will aim for a different niche. The thought, however, that such a car is beyond their engineering ability seems rather misconceived.
havoc said:
flemke said:
ISTM that the point of having a super-competent car must be for use in the circumstances when that competency is required. Yet with the public driving environment become ever-more restrictive, the need for that competency has diminished to almost nothing.
But then why own anything quick? A modern hot-hatch is IMHO too quick for most UK single-carriageway roads.For someone with (still arguably) the ultimate driver's supercar in his collection, you're sounding rather anit-supercar here!?!
I've got a Porsche CGT. I've driven the thing three times in the last 20 months. You just can't exploit enough of it often enough for it to be worthwhile, at least in a place like the UK. Instead, with such cars, one spends whatever time driving it in some sort of "cruise" mode, in which its dynamic ability is wasted but its compromises in comfort manifest themselves full-time.
You've quite fairly alluded to the possibility that the F1 might be an extreme exercise in futility. In a fundamental way that car is different from all other modern "supercars". I reflected recently that every single time - literally - that I have driven the car, the occasion has felt special, and I as a driver have been completely involved. Just steering the thing, sitting in the middle, revelling in the engine note, is a blast. The car demands respect, and also rewards it, regardless of the driving conditions. The same cannot be said for most all the cars with which it is often compared.
Cheers.
flemke said:
K20CRX said:
It lapped the The ring in Germany in record time.
Er, yeah.We know what the GT-R is and can do.
The question is: "How do you know what the new 'NSX' will be and can do?"
Edit: As for your reply to me - I can understand exactly what you mean, and I personally agree with it - I'd far rather an involving car that feels special at 5/10ths than an ultra-quick one which doesn't reward until you're doing those speeds (hence why I went back to the ITR...). But there are people who want the sensation, not the involvement/reward. Now maybe they should just get an AMG Merc
, but equally why shouldn't the manufacturers build cars like that that will grab headlines and will sell...it'd just be nice if they all did 'Clubsport'/'Type R'/'CSL' versions as well for the likes of us to play with.Edit: Noel's pic below - BLOODY HELLFIRE!!! That's a lardy-arse supercar, I didn't realise things had got so bad!!!
Edited by havoc on Thursday 14th August 09:06
flemke said:
NoelWatson said:
K20CRX said:
And they want to beat the GTR?
lolz!
In your dreams
I don't think that is unrealistic. What is unrealistic is expecting people to pay 100k when the Nissan is not much more than halflolz!
In your dreams
If Honda make the new "NSX" in the spirit of the original, then a different price point from the GT-R's could work.
If they were to emulate the GT-R but at a higher price, however, then it would have to be a better version. That route would be a mistake - we don't need the present GT-R, much less a "better" version of the same thing.
The new vehicle, from everything I've read, is going to be remarkably similar to the GT-R.
Front engined
Four wheel drive
Obsessed with ring times
I think they are too far down the road now to change it, and if we are on the verge of a gloal recession, it will be a disaster at 100k.
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