About to buy CTR Advice
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Hello all, i am about to buy a CTR and would like a little advice. Am i right in thinking that 2004 models onwards where inproved slightly because i have heard about rattles and badly stone chipped front ends on 2001-2003 models. Also what should i be looking for? I am competent with cars in general i know what to look for when buying a new car but are there any specfic details that should be paid attention to? Engine noises, i have heard about whining alternator bearings, and also excessive seat wear and easily scratched plastic. Is it unreasonable to think that i would be able to pick a 2004 CTR with less then 50k on clock for under £7500? Finally i know that CTR engins are widly regarded as un'pop'able but what is the reasonable life expectancy of one, 160k? I have asked a lot here guys and gals, any replys are greatly welcome to all or some of the questions.
Kindest regards
The Ginger Wizard
Kindest regards
The Ginger Wizard
2004 CTR with air/con - would have though it'd be nearer 9k (for a good 'un and less than 30K miles) heck, i still think my '52 is worth £7k! i haven't had any paint / build quality with mine - though the plastic on all post-2000 civics are fragile.
see CTR in my profile, for all the problems i have encountered (up to 36k) .. if it's been serviced regularly by Honda - it shouldn't have any problems - the only whiny noise should be from the cam-chain, else i wouldn't touch the car. should be fault-free - it's not an Alfa {bait}.
see CTR in my profile, for all the problems i have encountered (up to 36k) .. if it's been serviced regularly by Honda - it shouldn't have any problems - the only whiny noise should be from the cam-chain, else i wouldn't touch the car. should be fault-free - it's not an Alfa {bait}.
Edited by fido on Monday 29th October 11:14
Agree with Fido: I'd make sure that it's got a full dealer service and that it's been serviced on the button (or even early).
I've got an '03 with 39k miles and I'd still expect £8-9k for it.
Engine should be OK, gearbox can sometimes take a little while to warm up so might be a little stiff if it's cold out. Inside should be OK, although the plastics are a bit cack.
Most importantly, I'd look at the wheels: have the alloys been taken care of? If they're not original why not? Also, look at the tyres: not only for wear but wear patterns. CTRs can, like most cars, be very sensitive to less-than-perfect wheel alignment.
I don't have a very high opinion of Honda paint quality so check all the usual areas (including wheelarches) for stone chips.
Lastly, haggle like mad!
Cheers,
Animal
I've got an '03 with 39k miles and I'd still expect £8-9k for it.
Engine should be OK, gearbox can sometimes take a little while to warm up so might be a little stiff if it's cold out. Inside should be OK, although the plastics are a bit cack.
Most importantly, I'd look at the wheels: have the alloys been taken care of? If they're not original why not? Also, look at the tyres: not only for wear but wear patterns. CTRs can, like most cars, be very sensitive to less-than-perfect wheel alignment.
I don't have a very high opinion of Honda paint quality so check all the usual areas (including wheelarches) for stone chips.
Lastly, haggle like mad!
Cheers,
Animal
Just sold my 02 with 83k on it for £5,500. Exhaust was starting to go on it a bit but other than that absolutely perfect. Mine had chips on the nose but nothing desperate, no knackered bearings in the alternator or such, interior plastics are light weight and will scratch if you are not careful. I was careful, so mine looked like new. Great, low cost performance car.
Roop said:
Just sold my 02 with 83k on it for £5,500. Exhaust was starting to go on it a bit but other than that absolutely perfect. Mine had chips on the nose but nothing desperate, no knackered bearings in the alternator or such, interior plastics are light weight and will scratch if you are not careful. I was careful, so mine looked like new. Great, low cost performance car.
I think this post clarifies the real market price of these cars not owners ambitious prices - not having a go but for a buyer this is a real sale price not a price he'd like to sell for.Can someone please tell me at 70mph what Rpm's are you doing and is it loud? Also what is the combined on these machines? How big is the boot (Golf Mk4 compatable)?
One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
I too could be interested in this car - different type of performance to what Im used to (turbo & aspire for a 330d but still if the price & everything adds up it could make a viable solution).
i was offered £6250 trade (p/x for a new '57 CTR) a few weeks back, and mine is low-miler '52.
i find the CTR irritatingly noisy, not even in a nice way like an old-school Integra DC2, just tyre-roar and the firm suspension hitting every bump; however the engine is remarkably quiet and the chain-cam just sings quietly in the background.
above 50mph the tyre-roar is intrusive - it drowns out the radio and engine noise.
i'm sure i've lost a few shags because of the CTR - taking into account my profession and personality that's alot of shags. if you want quiet and comfort, or something to impress the ladies, perhaps you should get a Golf (though i'd rather have the noisy CTR than a MK4 made on any day of the week). 70mph = 3500rpm. combined approx. 32mpg.
i wouldn't worry about the cam-chain 'til it's done 90/100,000 - think it's mentioned in the 8yr service i.e. the 2nd major service. to be honest, i'll be bored of this car before it starts to cause any trouble.
i find the CTR irritatingly noisy, not even in a nice way like an old-school Integra DC2, just tyre-roar and the firm suspension hitting every bump; however the engine is remarkably quiet and the chain-cam just sings quietly in the background.
above 50mph the tyre-roar is intrusive - it drowns out the radio and engine noise.
i'm sure i've lost a few shags because of the CTR - taking into account my profession and personality that's alot of shags. if you want quiet and comfort, or something to impress the ladies, perhaps you should get a Golf (though i'd rather have the noisy CTR than a MK4 made on any day of the week). 70mph = 3500rpm. combined approx. 32mpg.
i wouldn't worry about the cam-chain 'til it's done 90/100,000 - think it's mentioned in the 8yr service i.e. the 2nd major service. to be honest, i'll be bored of this car before it starts to cause any trouble.
Edited by fido on Wednesday 31st October 00:13
Welshbeef said:
Can someone please tell me at 70mph what Rpm's are you doing and is it loud? Also what is the combined on these machines? How big is the boot (Golf Mk4 compatable)?
One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
Well with 6 gears all you can hear @ 70 is road noise (which can be loud dependant on what tyres you have) but its a type-r the noise is expected One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
I think you can expect 25 - 30 mpg depending on how you drive
Boot is big enough for most stuff, not sure how it compares to a golf tho !
well thats very useful, thank you all. I am married so i need not worry about getting shags in, i am only allowed it at christmas and birthdays ! LOL! so when is the engine going to go bang, 160k-200k? I am only young really but i am going to spend 7-8k on this car and i want it to be good, would all owners here really reccomend a CTR. As i said i am 24 just married, do 10-50 miles a day and then about 300-1000miles every 8 weeks as i go down to wales/ france/ nurburgring when i get my own motor. Bascially i don't do that many miles on a daily basis but i need something that can cover distances quickly is not to tiring and is exciting to drive. I am fortunate to live in a beautiful part of kent with some excellent roads that i have been attacking in my Ford KA for some months now, but i have come to the realisiation that i would be better to have a car with some sort of performance then continue to try to maintain the speed limit in my ford KA peddle car. So ladies and gents, are you a firm yes or no? Shall i get a CTR with a mind to do 12500 miles per year, (majority motorway 8500miles)i was thinking very seriously about a RB5 subaru but the engines seem to break often......
Ginger wizard
Ginger wizard
Had my CTR from new, 05 plate which has now done over 30,000 miles. The only thing I needed sorted under warranty was a tensioner on the alternator the other month. Apart from that it has run like a dream, despite having a fair few CTR meets/runs and a Honda Euro Tour (plus Nurburgring) under its belt.
A lot of owners really look after their cars so if you're after a private sale it might be worth having a look on http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/index.php (need to register) for cars for sale.
Sounds like you appreciate driving and good roads, the CTR is a great handling car but you need to realise it needs high revs so there's no cruising around and pushing the throttle with your foot a bit. Lots of driver interaction is required. It's all great fun though ... even for a female like me.
The engine is totally sound (unless you do something daft like go 5th to 2nd and it might blow up!) Know a few people who have done over 100K and the car's still been solid. Fraid I can't answer up to 160K though.
Buy one! You know you wanna!
A lot of owners really look after their cars so if you're after a private sale it might be worth having a look on http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/index.php (need to register) for cars for sale.
Sounds like you appreciate driving and good roads, the CTR is a great handling car but you need to realise it needs high revs so there's no cruising around and pushing the throttle with your foot a bit. Lots of driver interaction is required. It's all great fun though ... even for a female like me.
The engine is totally sound (unless you do something daft like go 5th to 2nd and it might blow up!) Know a few people who have done over 100K and the car's still been solid. Fraid I can't answer up to 160K though.
Buy one! You know you wanna!
Martin_Hx said:
Welshbeef said:
Can someone please tell me at 70mph what Rpm's are you doing and is it loud? Also what is the combined on these machines? How big is the boot (Golf Mk4 compatable)?
One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
Well with 6 gears all you can hear @ 70 is road noise (which can be loud dependant on what tyres you have) but its a type-r the noise is expected One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
I think you can expect 25 - 30 mpg depending on how you drive
Boot is big enough for most stuff, not sure how it compares to a golf tho !
Do you think someone coming from a Turbo petrol & TD background is going to really enjoy the Type R experiance??
Welshbeef said:
Martin_Hx said:
Welshbeef said:
Can someone please tell me at 70mph what Rpm's are you doing and is it loud? Also what is the combined on these machines? How big is the boot (Golf Mk4 compatable)?
One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
Well with 6 gears all you can hear @ 70 is road noise (which can be loud dependant on what tyres you have) but its a type-r the noise is expected One poster mentioned a timing chain - is this true? If so when does this need to be changed?
I think you can expect 25 - 30 mpg depending on how you drive
Boot is big enough for most stuff, not sure how it compares to a golf tho !
Do you think someone coming from a Turbo petrol & TD background is going to really enjoy the Type R experiance??
As Catz said, get yer ass over to the CTR owners website and browse the forums, loads of information over there and your not the first person to come from a turbo / diesel to a CTR, have a gander !
Edited by Martin_Hx on Wednesday 31st October 11:04
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