2007 S2000 INCREASED ENGINE SIZE?

[cardigankid]

I see on a ( US ) Honda site that the 2007 model S2000 is quoted as having an engine displacement of 2157cc with a power output of 237 kw. Is this general?

[Winton]

It is in the US. They changed the engine a few years ago.

[cardigankid]

So why not have the same everywhere?

[PJ S]

That's Honda for you!

[bob1179]

I thought they were ceasing production of the S2000?

Or am I just making that up?

[PJ S]

You were dreaming again, weren't you?

New one coming '08 - at least to the US. K20 engine putting out 220 (same one in Euro R Accord?), a more bland looking shape, and tackling the Miata (MX-5).
TOV has 'news' of it - hang on a sec.

Temple of VTEC - sort of said:

Hi Jeff,

The Feb 26th issue of Best Car has an article about "the final
version of S2000" and its successor. I thought it's something
everyone would like to know about, so I bought it, took it home, and
my scanner decides to give up its ghost. Oh well, I'll summarize what
I read though.

The Last S2000
"Loyal readers may remember that about 4 years ago, in 2003, Best Car
reported on the release of the S2000 Type R. Unfortunately it never
materialized. At that time, it was not just wild guesses and
Photoshop'ed art work. There was an actually S2000 Type R proposal
that leaked out from Honda sources describing the S2000 Type R. The
proposal was dropped at the last minute in favor of the 2.2L AP2 to
satisfy the need for more torque in the American market, while Japan
complained of the decision being very 'un-Honda.'"

Apparently Best Car has reason to believe that Honda is revisiting
this Type R proposal for the final model change for the S2000. They
call it the "lightweight package" and it will follow the Type R
proposal's target of 100kg weight reduction, bringing the car from
1250kg to 1150kg, changing the power to weight ratio from 5.16kg/ps
to 4.75kg/ps. This should provide performance at turbo levels but
with the direct feel of natural aspiration.

The S2000 Type R model year 2004 proposal (official document from
Honda) consisted of:
-target of 100kg weight reduction
-balanced engine internals (Type R treatment)
-Type R exclusive interior
-air conditioning becomes a factory option
-SRS air bag becomes a factory option
-sound deadening material deleted
-front tire: 205/55R16 to 205/45R17 (implemented on AP2)
-rear tire: 225/50R16 to 245/40R17 (implemented on AP2)
-Type R exclusive suspension tuning
-Type R exclusive uprated brakes
-Type R exclusive body color(s)
-spare tire deleted
-mechanical LSD
-power soft top deleted
-lightweight carbon hard top
-audio becomes factory option

The S2000 is expected to be discontinued before March 2008, so the
lightweight package should be sold sometime between now and then.

The next S
Honda has been tossing around many ideas on the next S. From 4 door
sports car to FF compact sports. But it seems they have decided to
stay with the FR roadster format, and are preparing a concept car in
time for the discontinuation of the S2000. But instead of targeting
the likes of SLK and Z4, they are going to go with a 2.0L engine and
battle it out with the long-time popular Mazda Roadster (Miata in
US). Engine will be the new Advanced VTEC K20A with an output of
about 200-220ps. It will be a milder engine than the S2000, and the
suspension tuning will also follow this route. Styling is said to be
heavily based on the S500/S600/S800, Honda's first 4 wheel
automotive. Dimensions will be slightly smaller than the S2000 with
an overall length of 4000mm, overall width of 1730mm, height of
1250mm, and wheelbase of 2400mm. That's about the same size as the
Mazda Roadster. The roof will be electric powered metal hardtop, and
the car should weight in at 1250kg, which is slightly heavier than
the Mazda, but the extra power in the S will more than make up for
it. It is also probable that the car will be available only with a
clutchless 6spd manual shift transmission. Release date is expected
to be near the end of 2008, with a price of 30,000,000yen


Sorry about the scanner, there are many photos in the magazine,
including a scan of the actual Type R proposal. At least there is one
image on the cover.

akiraNSX...

Look more closely at the small white one in amongst the red writing!

Edited by PJ S on Sunday 28th January 07:08

[bob1179]

cheers PJ S

That's cleared that up then!

I'm quite keen to see this new S2000, though to be honest, I'm not keen on the folding metal roof and clutchless (paddleshift?) gearbox, they need to keep the weight of the car down for it to be fun. 1250 kg is too heavy!

[SkinnyBoy]

damn TOV linking images....

looks like a Ford Thunderbird a bit. I hope the price reflects the drop of the F20C though

[so8]

I think Honda have to change the engine anyway soon / in the next year or two as it won't meet the new euro emissions standards - thats why the US got the 2.2 engine when it did because their emission standards were tighter..... as for a new shape we will wait and see if the magazine shown is going down the right lines.

[cardigankid]

Well I'm glad that I got my S2K when I did then. That image looks a bit, shall we say, retrograde, not dissimilar to a Cappucino, for instance. By the way the S2KI website showed, and still shows I think, a 'successor'to the S2K which they refer to as the XGA, being a bigger, more refined 2+2. The original article was dated '05. Was this a joke?

[richyboy]

Type-R s2000 will be my dream car if they get rid of the horrible power steering.

[pentoman]

I'm pretty sure a few years ago I remember reading an Autocar article where they were reviewing the 2.2 S2000. I thought they said it would be an option (in the UK presumably?) for those wanting a little more torque.

[AquilaEagle]

cardigankid said:

Well I'm glad that I got my S2K when I did then. That image looks a bit, shall we say, retrograde, not dissimilar to a Cappucino, for instance. By the way the S2KI website showed, and still shows I think, a 'successor'to the S2K which they refer to as the XGA, being a bigger, more refined 2+2. The original article was dated '05. Was this a joke?

1st April 2005.

[TaylotS2K]

Lets hope Honda see sense and stick to the same format as the current S2000, but with maybe a little more low down power. The problem is, do they go for a niche car like the current one or do they appeal more to the mass market and follow the MX5 route (thats if they go for a roadster instead of a 2+2). I fear it may be the MX5 route - although if they do, here's hoping they bring out a hard core version.

[eddandsam1]

Why change it if its not broken! ;-)

I'm happy with it.........

[henpecked]

Well I'm happy with mine, and more importantly, so is the wife.