New (2022) Civic
Discussion
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/civic-hybrid/over...
Basically:
My thoughts:
I am mildly tempted, I will be taking a look when it arrives in showrooms.
Interested to know people's thoughts. Any existing owners that would consider upgrading?
Basically:
- Bigger than the old one
- Hybrid only - 2.0 litre engine + 2 electric motors giving 180BHP
- Hatchback only
- Made in Japan (Swindon factory has gone for good)
- Exact UK specs not known yet
My thoughts:
- 180BHP is actually pretty decent. My dealer reckons that there might be at least one non-R model with adaptive dampers, which would be cool
- The non-hybrid versions are getting really good reviews in the US
- It looks a bit boring. I actually preferred the "no f
ks given" flamboyance of the old one. But I guess that it put people off - Interior looks nice but I wish the infotainment screen was bigger - 9" is not a lot these days
I am mildly tempted, I will be taking a look when it arrives in showrooms.
Interested to know people's thoughts. Any existing owners that would consider upgrading?
I believe that Honda's latest interior design guy is ex Mazda, which may explain the resemblance to a Mazda interior 
Agree on warranty - Hondas are generally super reliable, but 3 years is not that great these days. Would it really cost them much to make it 5 years? I am not aware of Hondas exploding in year 4, at any statistically significant level.
Agree on warranty - Hondas are generally super reliable, but 3 years is not that great these days. Would it really cost them much to make it 5 years? I am not aware of Hondas exploding in year 4, at any statistically significant level.
I have the old one. It’s a marmite car but I like it and the driving dynamics are nice for a small family car. After BMWs, Mercs, Audis it just feels a more honest car. Love mine.
The new one need to see it live, not sure about the design yet. Interior could be better with a more integrated screen.
The new one need to see it live, not sure about the design yet. Interior could be better with a more integrated screen.
It will be interesting to see what performance they get in the Civic.
The Corolla is awful for 180hp, 0-60 taking around 8 and a half seconds compared to Skodas/etc that can do it almost 1.5 seconds faster with similar HP.
Duel: Toyota Corolla 2.0 Hybrid vs Seat Ibiza IV Cupra 2013
The Corolla is awful for 180hp, 0-60 taking around 8 and a half seconds compared to Skodas/etc that can do it almost 1.5 seconds faster with similar HP.
Duel: Toyota Corolla 2.0 Hybrid vs Seat Ibiza IV Cupra 2013
Edited by Whataguy on Thursday 12th May 09:45
Whataguy said:
One magazine was reporting a starting price of 24k... I very much doubt that.
Looking at the equivalent 180hp Corolla I reckon it will be around £30k starting price for the Civic.
Agree. No way it will start at £24k. For a start, it would undercut the HRV, which is smaller and has 60 BHP less.Looking at the equivalent 180hp Corolla I reckon it will be around £30k starting price for the Civic.
Looking at the current range, Jazz starts from about £20k, HRV starts from about £29k, and CRV (which has a similar powertrain to the new Civic) starts from about £31k. That to me suggests a starting price of about £30k, exactly in line with your estimate.
A few more tidbits from CAR magazine, who IMHO are normally reliable on this stuff.
So far I am feeling a bit "meh" about it. But I look forward to seeing it in real life.
- Starting price of £30k. That makes sense.
- Only 2 trim levels, Sport and Advance. Advance has 6l less boot space, which will almost certainly be due to a subwoofer in the boot.
- 0-60 in 7.8 seconds. That is actually very decent IMHO.
So far I am feeling a bit "meh" about it. But I look forward to seeing it in real life.
I see Toyota have just upped the hp on the Corolla hybrid, from 180 to 193 in the 2 litre and dropped the 0-60 to a bit lower than the new Civic.
No word on the increase in costs, but I expect Civic and Corolla to be equally priced.
I spent a day recently driving the current Civic and didn't like it. Apart from being too low and big on the outside with not much driver interior space, it was a 1 litre auto. I much prefer the VW 1 litre or the Peugeot/etc 1.2 puretech. Also the 1.0 litre had crazy £1200 cambelt change costs.
I used to own a Mark 7 which I loved (I drove it 1800 miles one weekend through Europe.) The Mark 8 was ok but no rear visibility and the suspension was too hard. Mark 9 was ok and I came close to buying one but they were still selling the ancient 1.8 engine in them when everyone else had moved over to smaller turbos.
No word on the increase in costs, but I expect Civic and Corolla to be equally priced.
I spent a day recently driving the current Civic and didn't like it. Apart from being too low and big on the outside with not much driver interior space, it was a 1 litre auto. I much prefer the VW 1 litre or the Peugeot/etc 1.2 puretech. Also the 1.0 litre had crazy £1200 cambelt change costs.
I used to own a Mark 7 which I loved (I drove it 1800 miles one weekend through Europe.) The Mark 8 was ok but no rear visibility and the suspension was too hard. Mark 9 was ok and I came close to buying one but they were still selling the ancient 1.8 engine in them when everyone else had moved over to smaller turbos.
Edited by Whataguy on Sunday 12th June 06:58
Re. Corolla power increase - I saw that. They are also improving the interior quality, adding a full digital dash and a bigger touchscreen.
Plus Corolla is available as an estate, Civic (AFAIK) will not be. It's a shame that the Corolla saloon is no more. I had one and loved it.
Right now it's difficult to see why one would go for the Civic over the Corolla. But I'll wait for the specs...
Plus Corolla is available as an estate, Civic (AFAIK) will not be. It's a shame that the Corolla saloon is no more. I had one and loved it.
Right now it's difficult to see why one would go for the Civic over the Corolla. But I'll wait for the specs...
CAR magazine have a pretty good (IMHO) write-up
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/ci...
They seem to rate it pretty highly but say that most people will not see the value that Honda have put into the car because of the high sticker price.
The Autocar review is bizarre - it reads as if they never actually drove it...
I will certainly have a test drive at the dealer but right now I'm finding it hard to get excited about it. The exterior design is too safe IMHO. Maybe it looks more interesting in real life. The interior is nice but again a bit safe and the screen looks like a bit of an afterthought. Also I suspect that the infotainment is the same as the Jazz and that puts it behind the times. I could use Android Auto but it is not wireless which is a pain.
Also, you have to get the top grade to get the fully digital dash, and that means you get the pano roof which I don't really want.
Plus there is only one remotely interesting colour (Crystal Blue) which is an extra £825. That's a lot for paint.
On the flip side I suspect that the drivetrain is great and the quality is very high. CAR reckon that it drives really well - way better than the Corolla, which in fairness is not difficult.
IMHO it was clear that it was never going to cost £23k. That was crappy journalism. £30k sounded about right.
I am interested to see how Honda does with it but I suspect that they will not sell that many, and they know this (hence the limited colour/spec choices). I can't see them making many conquest sales. But I might be wrong.
The real selling point could be availability i.e. you can actually get one in a reasonable time. My dealer reckoned that once they land in the UK there will be lots of them available for purchase. So for someone coming off a lease and needing a car soonish, and looking at 6+ months for a Focus/Golf/A3, it could be a smart choice...
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/ci...
They seem to rate it pretty highly but say that most people will not see the value that Honda have put into the car because of the high sticker price.
The Autocar review is bizarre - it reads as if they never actually drove it...
I will certainly have a test drive at the dealer but right now I'm finding it hard to get excited about it. The exterior design is too safe IMHO. Maybe it looks more interesting in real life. The interior is nice but again a bit safe and the screen looks like a bit of an afterthought. Also I suspect that the infotainment is the same as the Jazz and that puts it behind the times. I could use Android Auto but it is not wireless which is a pain.
Also, you have to get the top grade to get the fully digital dash, and that means you get the pano roof which I don't really want.
Plus there is only one remotely interesting colour (Crystal Blue) which is an extra £825. That's a lot for paint.
On the flip side I suspect that the drivetrain is great and the quality is very high. CAR reckon that it drives really well - way better than the Corolla, which in fairness is not difficult.
IMHO it was clear that it was never going to cost £23k. That was crappy journalism. £30k sounded about right.
I am interested to see how Honda does with it but I suspect that they will not sell that many, and they know this (hence the limited colour/spec choices). I can't see them making many conquest sales. But I might be wrong.
The real selling point could be availability i.e. you can actually get one in a reasonable time. My dealer reckoned that once they land in the UK there will be lots of them available for purchase. So for someone coming off a lease and needing a car soonish, and looking at 6+ months for a Focus/Golf/A3, it could be a smart choice...
It's in Honda dealers now.
I was pushed for time so I could only manage a quick look from the outside. These days there is so much content on the internet that you pretty much know what to expect. However, a few things struck me:
I am possibly interested, and will see if I can get a proper look next weekend...
I was pushed for time so I could only manage a quick look from the outside. These days there is so much content on the internet that you pretty much know what to expect. However, a few things struck me:
- Side profile is Audi A5. Rear design is Tesla Model 3. Front is original. Unfortunately, the front is the most boring bit
It's very tame compared to the previous gen. - I was surprised at how low it is. I don't know the dimensions offhand but it looks lower than an Audi A5.
- I'm surprised that they bothered to include a rear window wiper. The rear glass is quite aggressively sloped, more so than many saloons.
- It looks much better in real life compared to the pictures. The long bonnet line, the low profile, the rear three quarter view...I found myself liking it a lot more than I thought I would.
I am possibly interested, and will see if I can get a proper look next weekend...
Had our first look today and a quick test drive….proper two hour slot booked for later in the week. Very impressed so far….nicely finished and very airy inside with lots of legroom front and rear. We are supposed to have a car delivered early October but might have to rethink…..it seems you might not be able to fit a roof rack to the Advance spec with the panoramic sunroof. We await confirmation of this from Honda. Thats a deal breaker for us as the top spec is the only one with martrix leds and powered seats which we want.
Bobtherallyfan said:
Had our first look today and a quick test drive….proper two hour slot booked for later in the week. Very impressed so far….nicely finished and very airy inside with lots of legroom front and rear. We are supposed to have a car delivered early October but might have to rethink…..it seems you might not be able to fit a roof rack to the Advance spec with the panoramic sunroof. We await confirmation of this from Honda. Thats a deal breaker for us as the top spec is the only one with martrix leds and powered seats which we want.
I'm in the same boat. I want the top spec model to get the premium audio and the digital driver display but I don't really want the pano roof because it reduces headroom and frankly I would never use it. I think Honda missed a trick here, they should have deleted the pano roof and made it cheaper...Loads of technical info (including UK specifics) here in case anyone is interested. This was apparently the presentation to UK dealers
https://www.civinfo.com/attachments/2yn-23ym-civic...
https://www.civinfo.com/attachments/2yn-23ym-civic...
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