New (2022) Civic
Discussion
AmitG said:
Loads of technical info (including UK specifics) here in case anyone is interested. This was apparently the presentation to UK dealers
https://www.civinfo.com/attachments/2yn-23ym-civic...
Interesting to read. I reckon Honda are going to get into a spot of bother with regards to the trim though. Their adverts and configurator clearly state genuine leather in the Advance grade, but the presentation keeps referring to synthetic leather!https://www.civinfo.com/attachments/2yn-23ym-civic...
Had a two hour test drive on a mix of New Forest roads, dual carriageway and a whiz along a motorway. Came away very impressed, particularly by the MPG reading of 63.9mpg! Plenty of overtaking poke, lovely settled ride and clear instrumentation. Only down side was the usual Honda higher than average road noise, a result of the 235 wide tyres. Hardly ever heard the petrol engine though.
Deposit placed and car due mid October.
Deposit placed and car due mid October.
Bobtherallyfan said:
Had a two hour test drive on a mix of New Forest roads, dual carriageway and a whiz along a motorway. Came away very impressed, particularly by the MPG reading of 63.9mpg! Plenty of overtaking poke, lovely settled ride and clear instrumentation. Only down side was the usual Honda higher than average road noise, a result of the 235 wide tyres. Hardly ever heard the petrol engine though.
Deposit placed and car due mid October.
Wow thats pretty quick! I ran it through Carwow today, contacted one dealer and they said February delivery for the Advance model to me. Grr! Deposit placed and car due mid October.
Intrigued about the e-hev powertrain: does it give that instant torque shove like pure EV’s?
jam_up said:
Wow thats pretty quick! I ran it through Carwow today, contacted one dealer and they said February delivery for the Advance model to me. Grr!
Intrigued about the e-hev powertrain: does it give that instant torque shove like pure EV’s?
I’ve not driven a pure EV for comparison but the torque seems effortless. I see Carwow’s Matt Watson got a 0 to 60 time of under seven seconds which gives a pretty good idea of the way it goes. I drive a 911 as my main car and the pick up from low down seemed similar.Intrigued about the e-hev powertrain: does it give that instant torque shove like pure EV’s?
I popped into dealer, the car looked lovely and I am very tempted but do need to have a test drive. I was hanging on for the Type R but as I am over 50 maybe it is time to go PHEV. My current sport plus 1.5 Civic is holding good money. ( I paid 17k 4 years ago) and it js nearly worth the same now!
So 32k for new car, I would put as much down as I could, think you need to finance for 5k to get 5 years service plan and 1k dep contribution. I will then pay this off in 6 months
So 32k for new car, I would put as much down as I could, think you need to finance for 5k to get 5 years service plan and 1k dep contribution. I will then pay this off in 6 months
My car has apparently arrived at the dealer so I guess I’ll get in a week or so. They had seven delivered, with red the most popular, then white. Was also told deliveries scheduled for Nov have been put back to April 2023. Honda really seem to know how to screw up a launch…..loads of positive publicity but virtually no cars to sell.
Had a good look at a few today, the interior is certainly a step up and the exterior styling from front and sides looks good to my eyes.
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
I was really impressed after having a drive today, the interior is lovely, the car went very well with a load of low down grunt. Sport mode is odd but good, where you have fake gear changes. Car resets to normal mode when you stop the car and re start, which is annoying. Mid 50’s mpg js impressive
I’m going to hang on until the type R comes out, I was told it could be under the 38k price range so to avoid the £500 road tax bracket. If this was the case it would be a bargain and 7k less than a golf R
I’m going to hang on until the type R comes out, I was told it could be under the 38k price range so to avoid the £500 road tax bracket. If this was the case it would be a bargain and 7k less than a golf R
Mezzanine said:
Had a good look at a few today, the interior is certainly a step up and the exterior styling from front and sides looks good to my eyes.
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
CVT is rather a misnomer - it's akin to a Diesel/electric locomotive and accelerates the same way. It's all wonderfully seamless.The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
Continually-variable battery charger might be more accurate.
Black S2K said:
Mezzanine said:
Had a good look at a few today, the interior is certainly a step up and the exterior styling from front and sides looks good to my eyes.
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
CVT is rather a misnomer - it's akin to a Diesel/electric locomotive and accelerates the same way. It's all wonderfully seamless.The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
Continually-variable battery charger might be more accurate.
Mezzanine said:
Black S2K said:
Mezzanine said:
Had a good look at a few today, the interior is certainly a step up and the exterior styling from front and sides looks good to my eyes.
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
CVT is rather a misnomer - it's akin to a Diesel/electric locomotive and accelerates the same way. It's all wonderfully seamless.The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
Continually-variable battery charger might be more accurate.
In fact there is no transmission at all in the hybrid Civic, whether CVT or otherwise.
Normally the car drives off battery (EV mode). The engine may cut in to act as a generator to top up the battery.
At high speeds, or when max power is needed, the engine connects directly to the wheels through a clutch, so there is a fixed 1:1 ratio between engine speed and road speed. The electric motors modulate the acceleration and speed, with excess engine power being diverted into the traction battery to keep it topped up.
It's simple but very clever, and different to the Toyota system.
The one bit I don't understand is the "gear changes". On my Jazz, I get fake "gear changes". Most people seem to think that it's an audio trick, with the system playing a fake sound through the speakers. It definitely isn't. It's a real noise coming from the drivetrain. I have no idea what type of witchcraft makes it happen.
BlueJazz said:
Interior reminds me a little of the Mazda 3, the exterior is fine. How it sells will depend on PCP deals etc., rather than if it's any good.
I think Honda will need to up its warrenty game as three years is looking stingy compared to Kia/Hyundai/Toyota.
I've thought that recently too. Also, Honda might want to do a bit of something to attract customers to keep servicing with them - Nissan give a free years RAC membership with each service, Toyota give a years warranty with each service. Obviously it's all costed in somehow but it's those sorts of things that make you think "hmm, maybe I should stick with the dealer". I think Honda will need to up its warrenty game as three years is looking stingy compared to Kia/Hyundai/Toyota.
I like the new civic though, looks good inside and out.
AmitG said:
Mezzanine said:
Black S2K said:
Mezzanine said:
Had a good look at a few today, the interior is certainly a step up and the exterior styling from front and sides looks good to my eyes.
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
CVT is rather a misnomer - it's akin to a Diesel/electric locomotive and accelerates the same way. It's all wonderfully seamless.The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
Continually-variable battery charger might be more accurate.
In fact there is no transmission at all in the hybrid Civic, whether CVT or otherwise.
Normally the car drives off battery (EV mode). The engine may cut in to act as a generator to top up the battery.
At high speeds, or when max power is needed, the engine connects directly to the wheels through a clutch, so there is a fixed 1:1 ratio between engine speed and road speed. The electric motors modulate the acceleration and speed, with excess engine power being diverted into the traction battery to keep it topped up.
It's simple but very clever, and different to the Toyota system.
The one bit I don't understand is the "gear changes". On my Jazz, I get fake "gear changes". Most people seem to think that it's an audio trick, with the system playing a fake sound through the speakers. It definitely isn't. It's a real noise coming from the drivetrain. I have no idea what type of witchcraft makes it happen.
Yes, the Toyota system has two electric motor-gens 'fighting' each other through a differential gearset, with the resultant torque escaping to the normal FD differential. So it's not really a CVT either!
The Honda system feels a lot less weird to me - 'throttle' works directly on the single, fixed speed drive motor. There's only a slight 'turbo lag' when the ICE spools up when extra torque is required to pull one out of a tight bend, etc.
AmitG said:
Mezzanine said:
Black S2K said:
Mezzanine said:
Had a good look at a few today, the interior is certainly a step up and the exterior styling from front and sides looks good to my eyes.
The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
CVT is rather a misnomer - it's akin to a Diesel/electric locomotive and accelerates the same way. It's all wonderfully seamless.The blue initially stole my gaze as it really pops but then I saw a red one and that looks stunning (as far as a Civic can look stunning).
What had completely passed me by was that these are all automatic now (Type R withstanding) - what a shame.
Would be a few years of depreciating before I could consider one anyway but the CVT only is a real turn off for me
Continually-variable battery charger might be more accurate.
In fact there is no transmission at all in the hybrid Civic, whether CVT or otherwise.
Normally the car drives off battery (EV mode). The engine may cut in to act as a generator to top up the battery.
At high speeds, or when max power is needed, the engine connects directly to the wheels through a clutch, so there is a fixed 1:1 ratio between engine speed and road speed. The electric motors modulate the acceleration and speed, with excess engine power being diverted into the traction battery to keep it topped up.
It's simple but very clever, and different to the Toyota system.
The one bit I don't understand is the "gear changes". On my Jazz, I get fake "gear changes". Most people seem to think that it's an audio trick, with the system playing a fake sound through the speakers. It definitely isn't. It's a real noise coming from the drivetrain. I have no idea what type of witchcraft makes it happen.
Mezzanine said:
Thanks for the explanation - I didn’t realise it was quite so different. Makes me want to try one now
No problem! I detest misinformation...It's actually a really promising system - I've only tried it in the CofE (and I deplore SUVs) and the punier, more dithery system in the Jazz. The reduced system delay and greater ICE torque of the LFB mean that one can actually throttle-steer the car like Hondas of old. Being able to adjust the regen braking with the paddles is helpful, too. But then I try to drive my Leg End like that and necessarily rev-match.
A conventional slushbox seems almost jerky by comparison and a CVT simply too disconnected/thrashy. The H:EV is closest to driving an EV (which it is, mostly) with a rather useful ICE booster. Plus that high-speed lockup to reduce electrical losses through resistance.
I look forward to trying it in the Civic. The first one that really looks like a Honda Civic in about 20 years...
Bobtherallyfan said:
I’ve not driven a pure EV for comparison but the torque seems effortless. I see Carwow’s Matt Watson got a 0 to 60 time of under seven seconds which gives a pretty good idea of the way it goes. I drive a 911 as my main car and the pick up from low down seemed similar.
Thanks - sounds very close to an EV then (it seems like that too based on Carwow’s vid).I was waiting for Q4 deals but it appears they’re exactly the same still. I too would like a Type R but the
wild speculation over price is putting me off (anything over 40k is no-go). It’s also not encouraging if Honda has already pushed back deliveries of the PHEV model! I imagine it will be like the GR86 situation where they get snapped up quick time.
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