logical progression
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It's great to see a legend racing at both Santa Pod and Shakey as well as seeing Terry Grant throwing his example around the startlines and arenas, without doubt you can do some tuning with the little beasts. Don't you think then that the natural progression from junior dragster should be into a legend class racing over the quarter?
The legends would allow folk to perfect shifting and the handling that is associated with short wheelbased cars.
What a brilliant looking class it would be and the legends would not be too expensive to run a race cars hire scheme.
I understand that there are problems at the moment as they are not an approved drag racing class but I reckon this could be overcome.
So come on legends would be great on the track what do we need to do to start it?
The legends would allow folk to perfect shifting and the handling that is associated with short wheelbased cars.
What a brilliant looking class it would be and the legends would not be too expensive to run a race cars hire scheme.
I understand that there are problems at the moment as they are not an approved drag racing class but I reckon this could be overcome.
So come on legends would be great on the track what do we need to do to start it?
veryoldfart said:
I which i could be a kid again
Glenn R said:
Don't you think then that the natural progression from junior dragster should be into a legend class racing over the quarter?
Personally, no. The quicker juniors are already heading towards Pro ET times and speeds over the eighth, so that would be an obvious next step. Yes, legends probably have potential on a drag strip, and I'd welcome more of them. But do they really need a separate class? If anything, I'd say we already have too many classes.Tet said:
Glenn R said:
Don't you think then that the natural progression from junior dragster should be into a legend class racing over the quarter?
Personally, no. The quicker juniors are already heading towards Pro ET times and speeds over the eighth, so that would be an obvious next step. Yes, legends probably have potential on a drag strip, and I'd welcome more of them. But do they really need a separate class? If anything, I'd say we already have too many classes.There was a guy in the eighties who used to run a small dragster, about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
Furyous said:
There was a guy in the eighties who used to run a small dragster, about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
They run some pretty menacing 2-stroke motors in the Modified Jr's in New Zealand.Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
Were talking 5 speed, highly tuned Jr's here running low 7's on the 8th.
Here are the rules for them here: http://www.pricemotorsport.co.nz/introduction.html
This was on the main road at Wellington that was closed for a Drag Racing show.
Didnt beat the Nitro FC though...
Edited by Flying Toilet on Wednesday 19th September 11:36
We had a guy at Shakey once with an four wheeled Beamer Isetta that ran a 'Busa motor, man that was quick but it got away from him and tagged the wall. There was another chap with a street legal Bedford Rascal van, all liveried up in his painter and decorators firm's lettering, complete with obligatory paint spills on the back step, that ran 11's with a Fireblade motor in it if memory serves.
hey guys
just a little update on this. i contacted Ken Ragan the Managing Director of legends cars USA yesterday aboiut the chassis problem in this country and the idea of a legends class.
here is his response
Adam.....we have a lot of fun on occasion drag racing the Legends here in the states. We have actually spoken to NHRA about adding a class for them but haven't followed up on that lately. We do have a lot of racers that like to take their car and make passes which is a lot of fun. We haven't had any problems not being approved by any one as far as safety goes....not even the NHRA strips. As far as making a different chassis we would probably try to accomodate a customer but would require that we work in a quanitity of somewhere around 25 at a time. That is a big order for someone but with small numbers we couldn't come out and it would be better for you to go to a speciality shop. We have a couple of guys here that have a V8 engine in the stock chassis with a 9 in. ford rear. That looks a little dangerous to me. We only promote the drags with cars like run on the oval and no changes to them. Thanks for the email and hope you have a lot of fun with your Legends.......ken
so they could make a msa approved chassis but my main question is why are the rules in the usa different to the uk. if the legends have run at NHRA legal events in the usa and are legal, and they run on the msa circuits/ ovals in the uk and europe then how come theyre not legal for drag racing in the uk, this is not a gripe by any means but its interesting that theyre legal under nhra rules but not msa drag rules, and is maybe worth investigating further
adam
just a little update on this. i contacted Ken Ragan the Managing Director of legends cars USA yesterday aboiut the chassis problem in this country and the idea of a legends class.
here is his response
Adam.....we have a lot of fun on occasion drag racing the Legends here in the states. We have actually spoken to NHRA about adding a class for them but haven't followed up on that lately. We do have a lot of racers that like to take their car and make passes which is a lot of fun. We haven't had any problems not being approved by any one as far as safety goes....not even the NHRA strips. As far as making a different chassis we would probably try to accomodate a customer but would require that we work in a quanitity of somewhere around 25 at a time. That is a big order for someone but with small numbers we couldn't come out and it would be better for you to go to a speciality shop. We have a couple of guys here that have a V8 engine in the stock chassis with a 9 in. ford rear. That looks a little dangerous to me. We only promote the drags with cars like run on the oval and no changes to them. Thanks for the email and hope you have a lot of fun with your Legends.......ken
so they could make a msa approved chassis but my main question is why are the rules in the usa different to the uk. if the legends have run at NHRA legal events in the usa and are legal, and they run on the msa circuits/ ovals in the uk and europe then how come theyre not legal for drag racing in the uk, this is not a gripe by any means but its interesting that theyre legal under nhra rules but not msa drag rules, and is maybe worth investigating further
adam
Furyous said:
There was a guy in the eighties who used to run a small dragster, about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
I know the car you mean and I think it eventually got into the eights. The last I heard of it was in the early nineties when I drifted away from drag racing. It was then residing in Abingdon, in the hands of Alan and Julie, two marshals at Shakey. They bought it for their son to race in.Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
I've no idea what happened after that.
Edited by BB-Q on Tuesday 25th September 20:51
Furyous said:
There was a guy in the eighties who used to run a small dragster,
about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
Hi HistoryHeads !about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
My Hockenheim Programme of 1986 reads :
"Competition Car B20, Paul Adrian Pickett, Dragster Kawasaki 1197 cc"
I remember that litte dragster well,
might even have some pics of it somewhere deep down in my "washing-basket archive"
I was a spectator then, and the car had an upswept 4-1 exhaust with megaphone,
on it was a little dog having a shit, all made of welding blobs.
Paul even won the race (or ended in the semis) in 86 or 87 IIRC, but was then protested out of it,
because his car had no reverse and had to be pushed back after the burnout.
Now the rules say that a car must be equipped with a car engine,
but there is a Junior Funny Car in Germany that runs a busa lump.
Appearantly there is a small japanese car building shop that does Busa-powered cars,
at least so I was told by the owner, who hopes to compete in SC -maybe- next year.
Cheers, and a good final to everyone in attendance,
Benni
P.S.: Other brit drivers of this class (Euro Serie) in Hock 86 were :
Mark Mitton - Model T - Jaguar 3800 cc
Steve Young - Ford Dragster - 2000 cc
Robin Read - Dragster Daimler Jaguar - 2500 cc
Steve Johnson - Dragster Cosworth - 3400 cc
Barry Giles- Ford Model T - Jaguar 3800 cc
Michael Robert Cheley Ford Model T - Chrysler 6250 cc
Brian Cross - Fiat Topolino - Chevy 5800 cc
(and, last not least
) Tony Morris - Ford Model T - Chevy 5500 cccougarracing said:
so they could make a msa approved chassis but my main question is why are the rules in the usa different to the uk. if the legends have run at NHRA legal events in the usa and are legal, and they run on the msa circuits/ ovals in the uk and europe then how come theyre not legal for drag racing in the uk, this is not a gripe by any means but its interesting that theyre legal under nhra rules but not msa drag rules, and is maybe worth investigating further
adam
They are not legal in the USA, as our chassis requirements are EXACTLY the same as thiers, if they are running there then they are not running at an NHRA sanctioned event, I guess they allow any thing to run at RWYB type things pretty much like we doadam
Benni said:
Furyous said:
There was a guy in the eighties who used to run a small dragster,
about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
Hi HistoryHeads !about jnr sized, with a strong kwaka lump in.
Cant remember what class, but ran good 10's all day.
Always struck me as very cheap way of going pretty quick.
Lots of upgradeability too.
Imagine something like Vens superstreet motor in a jnr chassis........
My Hockenheim Programme of 1986 reads :
"Competition Car B20, Paul Adrian Pickett, Dragster Kawasaki 1197 cc"
I remember that litte dragster well,
might even have some pics of it somewhere deep down in my "washing-basket archive"
I was a spectator then, and the car had an upswept 4-1 exhaust with megaphone,
on it was a little dog having a shit, all made of welding blobs.
Paul even won the race (or ended in the semis) in 86 or 87 IIRC, but was then protested out of it,
because his car had no reverse and had to be pushed back after the burnout.
Now the rules say that a car must be equipped with a car engine,
but there is a Junior Funny Car in Germany that runs a busa lump.
Appearantly there is a small japanese car building shop that does Busa-powered cars,
at least so I was told by the owner, who hopes to compete in SC -maybe- next year.
Cheers, and a good final to everyone in attendance,
Benni
P.S.: Other brit drivers of this class (Euro Serie) in Hock 86 were :
Mark Mitton - Model T - Jaguar 3800 cc
Steve Young - Ford Dragster - 2000 cc
Robin Read - Dragster Daimler Jaguar - 2500 cc
Steve Johnson - Dragster Cosworth - 3400 cc
Barry Giles- Ford Model T - Jaguar 3800 cc
Michael Robert Cheley Ford Model T - Chrysler 6250 cc
Brian Cross - Fiat Topolino - Chevy 5800 cc
(and, last not least
) Tony Morris - Ford Model T - Chevy 5500 ccgreat memories of some fabulous meetings
Steve (autocat) Young
Dnac said:
cougarracing said:
so they could make a msa approved chassis but my main question is why are the rules in the usa different to the uk. if the legends have run at NHRA legal events in the usa and are legal, and they run on the msa circuits/ ovals in the uk and europe then how come theyre not legal for drag racing in the uk, this is not a gripe by any means but its interesting that theyre legal under nhra rules but not msa drag rules, and is maybe worth investigating further
adam
They are not legal in the USA, as our chassis requirements are EXACTLY the same as thiers, if they are running there then they are not running at an NHRA sanctioned event, I guess they allow any thing to run at RWYB type things pretty much like we doadam
thanks for that, very interesting, ill get back in touch with ken ragan in the states again to make him aware of this, coz if hes looking at setting up an NHRA class then hes got some problems ahead! it might be interesting to get something going with legends usa to produce an nhra legal chassis and therefore a msa legal chassis, again thanks for teh input
adam
BB-Q said:
Ah, Robin Read. He was from round my way (Read's Sawmills, Cholsey, Wallingford). That little rail used to amaze me. Rumour had it he used the stock Daimler crank in that engine.
I think you will find that was Frog's Island Sawmills, Brightwell-cum-Sotwell, Wallingford.Edited to add: The business has long been sold and the Read's no reside near there. Robin and Tim both still live in the Oxford area but that is sufficient information for here.
Edited by NitroWars on Wednesday 26th September 13:57
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