A little "rules" quiz
Discussion
Hello DragHeads,
as we are in the middle of the off-season, I think of some rule-based questions.
1st : A racer is on a by-run into next round, he goes all-out for lane choice,
and crosses center line before finishing, no time is recorded.
Will he/she still make it into next round, as the lane violation has endangered no other racer ?
as we are in the middle of the off-season, I think of some rule-based questions.
1st : A racer is on a by-run into next round, he goes all-out for lane choice,
and crosses center line before finishing, no time is recorded.
Will he/she still make it into next round, as the lane violation has endangered no other racer ?
I saw that on the semi finals of "Manufacturer´s Cup" in November at Valdosta in TF Bike.
The racer was DQ´d, the final was a solo, I was quite surprised.
But then, some of the US rules in different organizations and associations seem to vary a bit
from the European rules that I -more or less- know.
I don´t know if ManCup rules allow a "just staging" for making a round,
maybe it´s "once you start a run ( leave under power) , you have to finish it in your lane" ?
The racer was DQ´d, the final was a solo, I was quite surprised.
But then, some of the US rules in different organizations and associations seem to vary a bit
from the European rules that I -more or less- know.
I don´t know if ManCup rules allow a "just staging" for making a round,
maybe it´s "once you start a run ( leave under power) , you have to finish it in your lane" ?
Follwing the lane crossing problem, I have another question where I don´t know the answer :
If a racer has a bye-run into next round,
in which classes he/she is required to "leave the line under own power" ,
as opposed to "just taking the stage bulb" in order to enter next round ?
I *think* MSA rules differ a bit from german DMSB rules.
If a racer has a bye-run into next round,
in which classes he/she is required to "leave the line under own power" ,
as opposed to "just taking the stage bulb" in order to enter next round ?
I *think* MSA rules differ a bit from german DMSB rules.
From the MSUK 2021 Rulebook
11.3.5 Single Runs
In situations where a driver is making a single run, he is considered the winner once he stages and receives the start signal. If a competitor crosses the boundary line on a single run, the elapsed time is voided for lane choice determination.
Note: A driver is mentioned here, I'll have another look to see whether riders are mentioned.
11.3.5 Single Runs
In situations where a driver is making a single run, he is considered the winner once he stages and receives the start signal. If a competitor crosses the boundary line on a single run, the elapsed time is voided for lane choice determination.
Note: A driver is mentioned here, I'll have another look to see whether riders are mentioned.
Vehicles have to stage under their own power, so engines need to be running. With a bike, if the gear box is broken say, it would be possible to run the engine and stage the bike to "take the green" and then repair before the next round. Except for ET Bike the classes are all run if less than eight qualifiers, eight or sixteen, so the only way to get a bye is if a competitor had irreparable damage.
Edited by NitroWars on Tuesday 4th January 18:22
There still are some small differences between UK and GER racing rules,
in this case according to DMSB the vehicle has to LEAVE the beams under own power, staging is not enough.
In the last years, euro rules have been evened out by the national associations, which is a good thing,
so this may be addressed in the future.
I doubt Pro ET will go down from 9:00 to 8:50 in Germany, though, at least not in the near future.
In Germany, there are two legal ways of red light rules : "first is worst", and "worst is worst",
both may be used by event-organizing race clubs, so better read the small print in the entry form,
although I have not seen a race yet with "worst is worst".
in this case according to DMSB the vehicle has to LEAVE the beams under own power, staging is not enough.
In the last years, euro rules have been evened out by the national associations, which is a good thing,
so this may be addressed in the future.
I doubt Pro ET will go down from 9:00 to 8:50 in Germany, though, at least not in the near future.
In Germany, there are two legal ways of red light rules : "first is worst", and "worst is worst",
both may be used by event-organizing race clubs, so better read the small print in the entry form,
although I have not seen a race yet with "worst is worst".
Another question, based on an incident in France last year :
SuProET Final, two cars, one redlights and the other breaks during the run.
The driver had to get out of the car and push it to the finish line, as only then he was declared winner.
Would that happen in UK, too, or is it "First is Worst" rule and the broken car does not need an ET at all ?
SuProET Final, two cars, one redlights and the other breaks during the run.
The driver had to get out of the car and push it to the finish line, as only then he was declared winner.
Would that happen in UK, too, or is it "First is Worst" rule and the broken car does not need an ET at all ?
If a driver red lights, the win goes to the other lane. If the 'winning' driver has to be towed off the track, they are still declared the winner unless they break a worse rule. Eg, breaking and then tapping a wall or crossing the centreline. As far as I am aware there is nothing about completing a run to be declared the winner or going through to the next round.
Camaro said:
If a driver red lights, the win goes to the other lane. If the 'winning' driver has to be towed off the track, they are still declared the winner unless they break a worse rule. Eg, breaking and then tapping a wall or crossing the centreline. As far as I am aware there is nothing about completing a run to be declared the winner or going through to the next round.
Once a red light is activated the win light does show in the opposite lane, however, I still believe it is under the Race Director's remit whether the stricken vehicle is awarded the win.
NitroWars said:
Once a red light is activated the win light does show in the opposite lane, however, I still believe it is under the Race Director's remit whether the stricken vehicle is awarded the win.
A red light is a racing violation just like breaking out, so the result would be the same, the win would got to the other driver, getting the tow of shame.
Yes that has happened to someone I know too.
Red light won over breakout which seems odd to me?
A red light should be an automatic loss, as long as the the other car leaves the line legally.
But going back to the original question, a run should be ‘a run’ irrespective of other lane.
You could ‘get a bye’ all the way to a trophy without ever running a proper time?
Or maybe there is a rule that says you can’t lol...
Surely it’s in the interest of the driver and team to ‘run hard’ to get info etc?
But more important (maybe to me) ‘for the fans’ who pay to watch...
Red light won over breakout which seems odd to me?
A red light should be an automatic loss, as long as the the other car leaves the line legally.
But going back to the original question, a run should be ‘a run’ irrespective of other lane.
You could ‘get a bye’ all the way to a trophy without ever running a proper time?
Or maybe there is a rule that says you can’t lol...
Surely it’s in the interest of the driver and team to ‘run hard’ to get info etc?
But more important (maybe to me) ‘for the fans’ who pay to watch...
Edited by Gtxxjon on Tuesday 1st February 11:17
Gtxxjon said:
Yes that has happened to someone I know too.
Red light won over breakout which seems odd to me?
A red light should be an automatic loss, as long as the the other car leaves the line legally.
The only way someone can win when pulling a red is for the other lane to have a worse safety infraction ie, crossing the centre line of the wall. A breakout will still win if the other lane has gone red. Red light won over breakout which seems odd to me?
A red light should be an automatic loss, as long as the the other car leaves the line legally.
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