Building a Bike from scratch

Building a Bike from scratch

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gbbird

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5,193 posts

251 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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Just wondered what the PH cyclists think of building a bike from scratch eg buy a frame and fork and then take it from there. Have many of you done it? And if so what did you find to be the tricky bits?

I used to be able to strip a BMX down and build it back up again, but that was a while ago. My mountain bike maintenance skills are not great, but i am learning slowly. I have 'Zinn and the Art...' to guide me. Will this suffice, or am i likely to come unstuck at some point, and be trotting down to my nearest cycel shop with a bagful of bits asking for help?

greg

snotrag

14,925 posts

218 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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I will never buy a complete bike again - Built my last 4 bikes up from frames.

Its not that difficult to be honest, however theres a few jobs you'll have to get your LBS to do - Facing the brake mounts, Facing the BB, and pressing the headset cups in.

Other than that, can all be done quite easily at home, and is the best way to learn about the bike.

Its a lot easier if you have a stand aswell.

LRdriver II

1,936 posts

256 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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Ding,
All my bikes are buildt that way... but just like a car it will be cheaper to buy complete so as long as budget isnt too big a factor, then do it!

The odd job or two needs specialist tools and I myself never got around to building wheels myself, so these are best left to the LBS

chrisj

517 posts

262 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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There should be no problem doing this, my current bike was 'evolved' from the previous.
The spannering is pretty easy, so long as you do your homework and check for any compatibility issues you should be fine.

Roman

2,032 posts

226 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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Pretty straight forward - esp. if you buy a frame complete with fitted bottom bracket & headset. You could take it to your local bike shop for a service/check over once completed if you were unsure about anything. Merlin cycles offer good parts packages.

pastrana72

1,729 posts

215 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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built my last two bikes, you can spec as you like, more expensive, but more satisfying, my bikes are frame only and do not come as complete. (cove)

it is not hard to build, if you have to pay a local bike shop to do the trickey stuff, so it is done correctly, that is a good idea.

Bat Fink

352 posts

211 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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It may be best to avoid the more exotic brands of kit, unless you have access to a machine shop.

Everyone claims compatability, but it seems with a pinch of salt.

E.g. On mine I chose to build up King hubs with XC4 brakes and ended up re machining the calipers and disks to make everything fit the fork and frame.

Not fun and now i'm pretty much scuppered when I need spares!

Good luck.


Beyond Rational

3,527 posts

222 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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One thing I still find a pain with certain "cheese metal" cranks is fitting pedals, cromoly into soft alloy, just got to be careful. Get all the advice you need on bottom bracket lengths for the frame of choice. I personally think you can fit a headset on the average frame at home if you have a length of threaded rod and a few washers and I've got a lot of rear disc brakes perfect without facing the mounts but these things along with the bottom bracket can be worth having the shop do as the tools can cost a fair bit.

Parktools website is the best free resource I know for up to date infomation on servicing/building and is very easy to follow.

gbbird

Original Poster:

5,193 posts

251 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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OK cheers,

so, i guess for my first time perhaps best not to go for a massively expensive frame. Any suggestions on a good frame/frame fork combo to start with, maybe around the £400 mark?

g

snotrag

14,925 posts

218 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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To echo some previous comments - the hardest part is actually choosing what parts to buy, and knowing what will work together well, and how to get a good all round spec.

£400 - What are looking for? Classic Cross country mtb?

mk1fan

10,648 posts

232 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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£400 can buy you a very tasty hardtail frame so, as Snotrag says, what type of mtb are you wanting to build up?

gbbird

Original Poster:

5,193 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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It would be a hardtail. quite like the look of the Cove Stiffee, even though a tad more expensive than i planned. What else is there out there?

LRdriver II

1,936 posts

256 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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gbbird said:
It would be a hardtail. quite like the look of the Cove Stiffee, even though a tad more expensive than i planned. What else is there out there?
My 2nd hand Titanium Litespeed frame(17.5" ) with Raceface headset, ti seatpost, ti stem and ti bars, BB and Pace rigid carbon fork..?

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9...

Edited by LRdriver II on Tuesday 5th June 11:30

Roman

2,032 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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wiggle.co.uk do good deals on Kenesis, Gt & Kona

merlincycles.co.uk do great deals on frame & fork kits - Malt & Rock Lobster titanium & scandium hard tail frames

snotrag

14,925 posts

218 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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My current Hardtail is a Dialledbikes Prince Albert.

They do a variety of different frames, mine is the Reynolds 853 version. I previously owned the slightly heavier 520 version. Both are really good value!

Mine is built up relatively cheaply, the frame weight is obviously more than alu race bike, but not at all hefty. The bonus though, is its fantastically comfortable, and very, very tough.

The one I've got now should last me many many years, and that includes lots of abuse from jumping it.

Nice fella to deal with aswell.

www.dialledbikes.co.uk

I've owned lots and lots of bikes, and this is the only hardtail I would truly, reccomend as being a bloody good bike for not much money.




mk1fan

10,648 posts

232 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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gbbird said:
It would be a hardtail. quite like the look of the Cove Stiffee, even though a tad more expensive than i planned. What else is there out there?
The design for the Stiffee FR hasn't - essentially - changed since circa 2003. The frame has lost the V brake mounts and a new rear drop out design are the only significant changes in that time. IIRC, they tweaked the frame geometry for 2005 so that six inch forks could be accomodated. They got the design so spot on to begin with there has been no need to alter it.

The frame is bullet proof so you can feel confident buying one from eBay - subject to the usual checks / conditons about buying off eBay.

Brilliant bike - here's mine

It is so good I don't feel the need to change to a FS trail bike.

Edited by mk1fan on Tuesday 5th June 13:05

gbbird

Original Poster:

5,193 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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LRdriver II said:
gbbird said:
It would be a hardtail. quite like the look of the Cove Stiffee, even though a tad more expensive than i planned. What else is there out there?
My 2nd hand Titanium Litespeed frame(17.5" ) with Raceface headset, ti seatpost, ti stem and ti bars, BB and Pace rigid carbon fork..?

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9...

Edited by LRdriver II on Tuesday 5th June 11:30
Looks nice, but too large for me i'm afraid. I need a 15' frame

catso

14,851 posts

274 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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I recently completed my first ground-up bike build (wife's bike) using a combination of new and 'upgraded' parts from other projects.

I doubt it would actually work out any cheaper than buying a ready-made bike (except that I already had some parts) but is satisfying, particularly if you want something different/special.

I did have to buy a couple of specialist tools but they were cheap enough and always useful. The only job I didn't/wouldn't tackle was wheel building due to a past attempt ending in frustration and the fact that the local bike shop will do it properly for a tenner.

beer

pdV6

16,442 posts

268 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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gbbird said:
LRdriver II said:
gbbird said:
It would be a hardtail. quite like the look of the Cove Stiffee, even though a tad more expensive than i planned. What else is there out there?
My 2nd hand Titanium Litespeed frame(17.5" ) with Raceface headset, ti seatpost, ti stem and ti bars, BB and Pace rigid carbon fork..?

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9...

Edited by LRdriver II on Tuesday 5th June 11:30
Looks nice, but too large for me i'm afraid. I need a 15' frame
Fifteen feet? yikes

gbbird

Original Poster:

5,193 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th June 2007
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pdV6 said:
gbbird said:
LRdriver II said:
gbbird said:
It would be a hardtail. quite like the look of the Cove Stiffee, even though a tad more expensive than i planned. What else is there out there?
My 2nd hand Titanium Litespeed frame(17.5" ) with Raceface headset, ti seatpost, ti stem and ti bars, BB and Pace rigid carbon fork..?

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9...

Edited by LRdriver II on Tuesday 5th June 11:30
Looks nice, but too large for me i'm afraid. I need a 15' frame
Fifteen feet? yikes
eek i wish. 15 inches sir smile