Close ratio Cassette on an MTB

Close ratio Cassette on an MTB

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mat205125

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Wednesday 9th May 2007
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I've got a standard Shimano 9 speed MTB cassette on my bike (don't know the exact teeth count), and find that when riding on the middle ring on the crank there is a few gears on the cassette that feel quite widely spaced.

For example at a good pace on flat smooth trail, using middle ring and 6th (from the wheel) cassette sprocket, there seems a bit of a big gap changing up to 7th that sometimes means I change back down again.

Am I just whinging for the sake of it, or has anyone else found similar?

How have others worked around this kind of problem?

Do people ever fit road cassettes to MTBs, even though you will suffer with a lack of really low climbing gears?

pdV6

16,442 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Depends on the overall range of the cassette:

11/32 6th to 7th is 16 to 14 tooth sprocket
11/34 6th to 7th is 17 to 15 tooth
12/34 6th to 7th is 18 to 16 tooth

The biggest "jump", therefore will be on the 11/32 cassette, which I believe is the one most usually fitted as OE.

snotrag

14,921 posts

218 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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mat205125 said:

Do people ever fit road cassettes to MTBs, even though you will suffer with a lack of really low climbing gears?


Yes, very common on DH bikes. Gives you a snappier change and closer ratios, but on a regular MTB you'll lose a significant amount of climbing ability.

mat205125

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Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Thanks for both of your replies. Will do a bit of a tooth count to see what I have.

The main solution that I know is the right one is to just get up the gear and pedal harder until fitness and strength improves

pistol pete

804 posts

270 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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snotrag said:
mat205125 said:

Do people ever fit road cassettes to MTBs, even though you will suffer with a lack of really low climbing gears?


Yes, very common on DH bikes. Gives you a snappier change and closer ratios, but on a regular MTB you'll lose a significant amount of climbing ability.


However, if combined with a smaller front ring then you get better ground clearance and more or less the same range of gears.

Pete

rico

7,916 posts

262 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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I find the same with middle ring. I can't remember the last time I used a granny ring as I prefer to just torque up the hills rather than spin out.

Do find a few biggish jumps.

Use road cassettes for DH, dirt jumping etc so might try one for XC too.

pdV6

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268 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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pistol pete said:
snotrag said:
mat205125 said:

Do people ever fit road cassettes to MTBs, even though you will suffer with a lack of really low climbing gears?


Yes, very common on DH bikes. Gives you a snappier change and closer ratios, but on a regular MTB you'll lose a significant amount of climbing ability.


However, if combined with a smaller front ring then you get better ground clearance and more or less the same range of gears.

Pete

Well, only at the expense of having some bigger gears for the flat / downhill road bits on the way to/from the fun riding...

Neil_Bolton

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271 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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rico said:
I find the same with middle ring. I can't remember the last time I used a granny ring as I prefer to just torque up the hills rather than spin out.


Pfft, middle ring?

Middle rings for girls.

You want to you to use yer big ring boy...

pdV6

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268 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Neil_Bolton said:
rico said:
I find the same with middle ring. I can't remember the last time I used a granny ring as I prefer to just torque up the hills rather than spin out.


Pfft, middle ring?

Middle rings for girls.

You want to you to use yer big ring boy...

I honestly don't know why Neil runs a triple chainset - I don't think I've seen any of his bikes in anything but the big ring...

rico

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262 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Neil_Bolton said:
Pfft, middle ring?

Middle rings for girls.

You want to you to use yer big ring boy...


I always had you down as a fan of a big ring...

Neil_Bolton

17,113 posts

271 months

Wednesday 9th May 2007
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rico said:
Neil_Bolton said:
Pfft, middle ring?

Middle rings for girls.

You want to you to use yer big ring boy...


I always had you down as a fan of a big ring...


Ah but weren't you the one who sold me your old knackered ring protector?


Edited by Neil_Bolton on Wednesday 9th May 14:51

mat205125

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Wednesday 9th May 2007
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Let the innuendo battle commence

rico

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Wednesday 9th May 2007
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mat205125 said:
Let the innuendo battle commence


Nah. I'm spent. Neil's last reply was so lame I can't be bothered to think of another... hehe

mat205125

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Thursday 10th May 2007
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Out of interest, would a road cassette be a straight swap for an MTB cassette, i.e. fit correctly to the hub without modification.

snotrag

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218 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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If its a 9spd then yes. Straight on. There exactly the same construction etc, Just the ratios are different.

Neil_Bolton

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Thursday 10th May 2007
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snotrag said:
If its a 9spd then yes. Straight on. There exactly the same construction etc, Just the ratios are different.


yes

Its common for DHers to fit close ratio road cassettes to their bikes as it gives them a nice range on their single chainring up front.

It used to be down to the fact that only road cassettes had 11t rings on them, however with the introduction of Shimanos HyperDrive (SP? IIRC?) where they used smaller chainrings up front, they moved to smaller cassette ranges at the back. All to save weight IIRC.

Another bit of terminology for you:

Cassette = slides on to freehub that is already on the wheel - first introduced by Shimano

Block = Includes the freewheel inside and screws onto the wheel - still used by most Italian die-hards - i.e. Campagnolo.

ETA: 7spd Casette uses a different sized freehub to 8spd and 9spd which can both use the same size. *I think* 10 spd is again different?

Edited by Neil_Bolton on Thursday 10th May 09:41



Edited by Neil_Bolton on Thursday 10th May 09:45

pdV6

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268 months

Thursday 10th May 2007
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Neil_Bolton said:
Shimanos HyperDrive (SP? IIRC?)

HyperGlide
Neil_Bolton said:

ETA: 7spd Casette uses a different sized freehub to 8spd and 9spd which can both use the same size. *I think* 10 spd is again different?

Shimano 8/9/10 are interchangeable*; 7 isn't

* Obviously need to change the shifter & chain to match.



Edited by pdV6 on Thursday 10th May 11:12

Neil_Bolton

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Thursday 10th May 2007
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pdV6 said:
Neil_Bolton said:
Shimanos HyperDrive (SP? IIRC?)

HyperGlide
Neil_Bolton said:

ETA: 7spd Casette uses a different sized freehub to 8spd and 9spd which can both use the same size. *I think* 10 spd is again different?

Shimano 8/9/10 are interchangeable*; 7 isn't

* Obviously need to change the shifter & chain to match.



Edited by pdV6 on Thursday 10th May 11:12


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mat205125

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Thursday 10th May 2007
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The option third from the bottom has a 27T largest sprocket, and could be an option worth considering.

www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=1094

Still lower than a normal MTB one, so would have some weaknesses in climbing.

What are the "standard" teeth count for a MTB cassette?

Neil_Bolton

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Thursday 10th May 2007
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mat205125 said:
The option third from the bottom has a 27T largest sprocket, and could be an option worth considering.

www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=1094

Still lower than a normal MTB one, so would have some weaknesses in climbing.

What are the "standard" teeth count for a MTB cassette?


32-11 is usual, with 34-11 for weaklings