Squeeling disc brakes.....

Squeeling disc brakes.....

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Hollywood Wheels

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3,689 posts

237 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2007
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Just carried out a brake service on my bike, it has a 4 year old Deore hydraulic system. The discs were fine, so I replaced all brake pads, and bled the front and rear brakes and put some brand new mineral oil in. I've got a really nice firm but progressive feel back in the levers, but they are squeeling, and I mean LOUDLY!!!!!

I don't think 'bedding in' with some hard stops will solve this. Any ideas? I'm tempted to just cover the whole set-up in WD40, then hope once the power is restored that the squeeling will go. Cheers for any advice guys....

rico

7,916 posts

262 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2007
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Braking = slow down

So less braking = ride faster and no squeeling!


Mr Clive

1,195 posts

259 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2007
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Wont WD40 just ruin the pads & disks?

pdV6

16,442 posts

268 months

Wednesday 2nd May 2007
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Mr Clive said:
Wont WD40 just ruin the pads & disks?


yes DON'T DO THAT!!!!

Hollywood Wheels

Original Poster:

3,689 posts

237 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Yeah, on second thought NOT a good idea! I think that when I was bleeding the brakes some of the fluid must have gone onto the discs and pads, which may be causing or contributing to the squeeling. I'm tempted to just give it a good caning and see if it goes away, I'll have to find somewhere away from any residential area though, it's that bad!! I don't want to sand the pads, they are brand new after all.

beyond rational

3,527 posts

222 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Did you replace with a harder compound than before?

Deffinatly try a few very hard stops and double check the pads aren't loose in the caliper and that the springy spacer thing is in the caliper properly

Trooper2

6,676 posts

238 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Hollywood Wheels said:
Yeah, on second thought NOT a good idea! I think that when I was bleeding the brakes some of the fluid must have gone onto the discs and pads, which may be causing or contributing to the squeeling. I'm tempted to just give it a good caning and see if it goes away, I'll have to find somewhere away from any residential area though, it's that bad!! I don't want to sand the pads, they are brand new after all.



If you did get brake fluid on the rotors and pads then clean the rotors with alcohol and go buy some new pads, as your pads are ruined.

snotrag

14,925 posts

218 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Yup - fluid on the pads.

Are your brake mounts properly faced?

As for the pads - not much you can do I'm afraid. It may go away in time, but probably not.

Never leave the pads in while your bleeding. You should have a little yellow plastic block that goes in the caliper that spaces the pistons out and negates the risk of contaminating the pads and disc.

HCMH

460 posts

228 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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WD 40 on brakes is suicide, get some quality brake cleaner. Spray onto the discs and run the fluid through the caliper by rotating the wheel. Clean with a grease free cloth and then go ride. The sqeaking will go....

mat205125

17,790 posts

220 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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pdV6 said:
Mr Clive said:
Wont WD40 just ruin the pads & disks?


yes DON'T DO THAT!!!!


I think (hope) that the OP was extracting the urine!

Mr Clive

1,195 posts

259 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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I got brake fluid on my old hope set up (both disks and my new pads) they squeeled to buggery and had no stopping power.

Putting the ruined pads in the oven for a few hours on full power made them useable but they were never as good as they could have been.

Hollywood Wheels

Original Poster:

3,689 posts

237 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Right.........my plan of action is..........

Gonna remove the pads and run them once over some abrasive paper, just to remove any surface contaminant. No way am I ditching a set of new pads! Then I'll clean the discs with some white spirit or similar. Will update with results (if any!) in a couple of days....

HW

pdV6

16,442 posts

268 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Hollywood Wheels said:
No way am I ditching a set of new pads!

If they are contaminated with brake fluid I'm afraid you don't really have much choice.

Kermit power

29,469 posts

220 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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Maybe my memory is fading, but I'm sure the last set of pads I had were only a fiver or so? Annoying, but hardly a cause for suicide if you do have to bin them.

Also worth checking if you've put on a hard compound by mistake? I get this with the car. I put racing pads on prior to taking it on track at Brands, and haven't got round to swapping them back out yet, and the squeal like the proverbial stuck pig unless they're really up to temperature!

Mr Clive

1,195 posts

259 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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The problem with the pads is that they are sintered metal, allowing the brake fluid to seep into the pad. Consequently its more than just a little surface contamination.

Most solvents will still leave behind a thin residue film that may be just as bad for the disks as the original contamination.

I would use nothing other than proper brake cleaner spray on my disks and buy new pads. Its not the cheapest way but you will thank yourself later when its all working like it should

beyond rational

3,527 posts

222 months

Thursday 3rd May 2007
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I think at the moment though the OP has nothing to lose if he trys the oven baked pad method (after checking that nothing is loose first and trying some very hard stops)

westy04

275 posts

269 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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Whenever I've contaminated the pads or the pads squeal. I just spray neat Fenwicks cleaner onto them. Never had any issues after that.

Xenocide

4,286 posts

215 months

Friday 4th May 2007
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Muc off on the disks, sand down the pads a bit, make sure they're parellel to the disks. Are the levers spongy at all? If they're not applying pressure regually the pads can shift around and therefore, squeal.

jshell

11,341 posts

212 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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If you've inadvertantly changed from normal to 'sintered metal' pads, then they'll certainly be more likely to squeal and you can't really do much about it.

JWB

332 posts

245 months

Saturday 5th May 2007
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Sqealing is normally caused by something vibrating, so check the security of all parts. A slight toe in of the pads can reduce squeal.

I personally do not mind my brakes squealing.

Contaminated pads...........
They will never give the performance of uncontaminated pads what ever you do to them. In my mind its not worth the risk to use sub standard parts. However I tend to ride on the limit and need absolute trust in my bike. If you potter around and do not use the full capacity of your brakes then they will be fine.