07 XT and XTR - cool new feature

07 XT and XTR - cool new feature

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rico

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7,916 posts

261 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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Had a play with a proto XT shifter the other evening. It's basically like the SRAM X7/X9/X0 type where you can shift both up and down with your thumb. I've got X7 shifters on my Commencal and this feature is brilliant. Very easy to use, especially if you're braking for a corner and need to shift as your fingers are free to brake.

Highly recommended upgrade



neil_cardiff

17,113 posts

270 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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I've seen this and like this a lot - I mentioned this to PDV6 and I think it'll be a great upgrade over the slightly annoying rapidrise I'm trying to get the hang of...

SRAM got it right, and however cheeky Shimano is for nicking the idea, it'll rock

rico

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261 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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neil_cardiff said:
SRAM got it right, and however cheeky Shimano is for nicking the idea, it'll rock


Yep. I like my SRAM but as soon as these are available, I'm swapping over to 100% Shimano. The fact I can probably ebay the SRAM for more than the Shimano helps too.

rlk500

917 posts

258 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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How does it work ?

rico

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Thursday 21st September 2006
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rlk500 said:
How does it work ?


No idea.

The REALLY freaky thing is you can push the smaller lever forward to shift... OR pull it back! So either direction of the smaller lever changes the gear the same way. Bit confused when you first use it, but damn cool.

Knowing Shimano it'll be like a Swiss watch inside and work as well

pdV6

16,442 posts

267 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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rico said:

The REALLY freaky thing is you can push the smaller lever forward to shift... OR pull it back! So either direction of the smaller lever changes the gear the same way.

Blimey - I hadn't absorbed that bit of info when Neil was telling me about it; I'd assumed it was just a new shifter that when paired with a rapid-rise rear mech worked in the 'classic' manner, i.e. finger to change up and thumb to change down. confused

coopers

4,531 posts

225 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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How much would this sort of kit cost...

rico

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261 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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coopers said:
How much would this sort of kit cost...


Eerrmm dunno as its not in the shops yet.

Probs looking at a couple of hundred for a full gearing setup. Good place to see prices for parts is www.chainreactioncycles.com

beyond rational

3,527 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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It must have some sort of internal cam arrangement, those bods at shimano know what they are doing, no doubt it will be great....though I wont be rushing to change, never had a problem changing down and braking with rapidfire - with brakes as good as they are now

neil_cardiff

17,113 posts

270 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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beyond rational said:
It must have some sort of internal cam arrangement, those bods at shimano know what they are doing, no doubt it will be great....though I wont be rushing to change, never had a problem changing down and braking with rapidfire - with brakes as good as they are now


I dunno, Rapidrise does work much better, with the upshifts benig really sweet.

This will just make them even nicer

pdV6

16,442 posts

267 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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beyond rational said:
It must have some sort of internal cam arrangement, those bods at shimano know what they are doing, no doubt it will be great....though I wont be rushing to change, never had a problem changing down and braking with rapidfire - with brakes as good as they are now

True - but with a rapidrise rear mech you'd need to use your braking finger to change down, so I can see why they've done this.

beyond rational

3,527 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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This is coming to the LX range as well?

neil_cardiff

17,113 posts

270 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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pdV6 said:
beyond rational said:
It must have some sort of internal cam arrangement, those bods at shimano know what they are doing, no doubt it will be great....though I wont be rushing to change, never had a problem changing down and braking with rapidfire - with brakes as good as they are now

True - but with a rapidrise rear mech you'd need to use your braking finger to change down, so I can see why they've done this.


I'me getting a bit confused here, but I think the idea of these new shifters is to take advantage of the better shifting of rapidrise, but still allow the rider to adapt their riding style by allowing any option in terms of shifting direction.

Ithink that answers that query?

pdV6

16,442 posts

267 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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beyond rational said:
This is coming to the LX range as well?


As per the XT/XTR thread, probably in a few years...

neil_cardiff

17,113 posts

270 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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pdV6 said:
beyond rational said:
This is coming to the LX range as well?


As per the XT/XTR thread, probably in a few years...


I'm not entirely sure - I did hear rumours, but probably next year - usually thats the how the roadmap goes...

beyond rational

3,527 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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I thought it was a rumour, but just had a look

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/c

beyond rational

3,527 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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doh! should have remembered that stuff on singletrack ages ago! I don't get on enough to check up on the coming and goings in the MTB world!