Tom Pidcock joins the Q36.5 factory team
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While it’s no surprise that Tom Pidcock is leaving Ineos Grenadiers, he’s moving to the Q36.5 factory team:
https://www.q36-5.com/en-gb/c/welcome-tom-pidcock/
https://www.q36-5.com/en-gb/c/welcome-tom-pidcock/
Edited by Salted_Peanut on Tuesday 10th December 16:32
Salted_Peanut said:
While it’s no surprise that Tim Pidcock is leaving Ineos Grenadiers, he’s moving to the Q36.5 factory team:
https://www.q36-5.com/en-gb/c/welcome-tom-pidcock/
I guess he won't be having to fight with anyone else for leadership in any race they get an entry for, but he's not going to get a lot of chances in big races with that team, either. https://www.procyclingstats.com/team/q365-pro-cyci...https://www.q36-5.com/en-gb/c/welcome-tom-pidcock/
Ladders said:
Yes I was pretty surprised. Unless it gives him freedom to ride the MTB and CX races as much as he wants? But thought he was high profile enough and had the results to go to one of the other big teams.
From his Instagram it sounds like he will be doing at least some CX and XC.Julian Scott said:
I know a few people on the Grenadiers payroll, riders and non-riders. Pidcock won't be missed, shame as he had/had so much potential.
2x Olympic champion, XCO World champion, CX World champion, multiple World Cups wins in XCO, XCC & Cyclocross - plus World Tour wins including iconic Alpe D'Huez, and Strade Bianche......He's hardly failed to deliver. 90% of pro cyclists would kill for that type of CV. If you'd have said 10 years ago a sole British rider would win all that - you'd have been laughed at.......
Rewtle Litand said:
Julian Scott said:
I know a few people on the Grenadiers payroll, riders and non-riders. Pidcock won't be missed, shame as he had/had so much potential.
2x Olympic champion, XCO World champion, CX World champion, multiple World Cups wins in XCO, XCC & Cyclocross - plus World Tour wins including iconic Alpe D'Huez, and Strade Bianche......He's hardly failed to deliver. 90% of pro cyclists would kill for that type of CV. If you'd have said 10 years ago a sole British rider would win all that - you'd have been laughed at.......
It's a great shame, he's a stellar talent, but if you try to be a jack of all trades, you'll be a master at none...and when your employers is paying £millions for you to perform (and perform as a team) and you don't, easy to see why his standing within the team was becoming near untenable.
Rewtle Litand said:
Julian Scott said:
I know a few people on the Grenadiers payroll, riders and non-riders. Pidcock won't be missed, shame as he had/had so much potential.
2x Olympic champion, XCO World champion, CX World champion, multiple World Cups wins in XCO, XCC & Cyclocross - plus World Tour wins including iconic Alpe D'Huez, and Strade Bianche......He's hardly failed to deliver. 90% of pro cyclists would kill for that type of CV. If you'd have said 10 years ago a sole British rider would win all that - you'd have been laughed at.......
He is highly regarded at Ineos, despite what Julian says.
High performance teams always have friction, so the situation with Pidcock is nothing new, and wasn’t even unexpected. It just wasn’t managed as well as it could have been.
You won’t hear much criticism from his team mates, and even the management that struggled with him aren’t saying he “won’t be missed”
Pidcock signed for the world’s best team, but soon found himself in one of the worst performing teams.
It’s hardly a surprise that a serial winner struggled in that environment.
Julian Scott said:
when your employers is paying £millions for you to perform (and perform as a team) and you don't, easy to see why his standing within the team was becoming near untenable.
Ineos only paid Tom Pidcock €2,700,000. Who would bother to get out of bed for a measly €2,700,000 annual salary? 
Ineos knew what Pidcock wanted to do when they signed him, he’s always been a multi disciplinary rider and it wasn’t new news.
Ineos are a shadow of their former selves and I could imagine internally more focus was on road success and who could deliver that for them.
Pidcock is all about winning, he is selfish as so many athletes are/have to be.
I guess this is a point of friction with both parties feeling aggrieved. Some will say it’s Pidcock and his team causing the issues and others will look to the team and how it’s failing generally. The truth will be somewhere between the two I’d estimate.
Either way, I don’t see Pidcock challenging for GT’s unless he’s prepared to sacrifice more to his team mates to build their willingness to work for him and reduce his other disciplines, especially the MTB.
Ineos are a shadow of their former selves and I could imagine internally more focus was on road success and who could deliver that for them.
Pidcock is all about winning, he is selfish as so many athletes are/have to be.
I guess this is a point of friction with both parties feeling aggrieved. Some will say it’s Pidcock and his team causing the issues and others will look to the team and how it’s failing generally. The truth will be somewhere between the two I’d estimate.
Either way, I don’t see Pidcock challenging for GT’s unless he’s prepared to sacrifice more to his team mates to build their willingness to work for him and reduce his other disciplines, especially the MTB.
Julian Scott said:
It's a great shame, he's a stellar talent, but if you try to be a jack of all trades, you'll be a master at none...
Err. Marianne Vos ? MvdP ? Wout ? All of those have succeeded in many trades. If your argument is that Pidcock isn't quite as stand-out as those riders, then I'd agree.
He doesn’t stand out as per his contemparies yet, MVDP, van Aert, Vos, PFP etc ….
Many fans rate riders by their GT performance and what happens in July, for me, Pidcock could be incredible across the disciplines and I for one hope he doesn’t just focus on GT’s. Let others go thru those sacrifices.
Many fans rate riders by their GT performance and what happens in July, for me, Pidcock could be incredible across the disciplines and I for one hope he doesn’t just focus on GT’s. Let others go thru those sacrifices.
outnumbered said:
Julian Scott said:
It's a great shame, he's a stellar talent, but if you try to be a jack of all trades, you'll be a master at none...
Err. Marianne Vos ? MvdP ? Wout ? All of those have succeeded in many trades. If your argument is that Pidcock isn't quite as stand-out as those riders, then I'd agree.
He's a far better MTB racer than Vos and MvdP. Van Aert never tried it, and has never been the most technically gifted in Cyclocross - but his huge power overcomes this deficit most times.
Vos found MTB a discipline too far - too much climbing, and far too technical for her. You can't over power the top XCO riders like you can in Cyclocross.
MvdP, a good record when he did it properly, but then started to have silly crashes when he didn't take it seriously enough.........
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