Nukeproof Scout
Discussion
I have a related thread running but that's more about buying from CRC so I thought I'd start a separate thread dealing specifically with the bike.
I have an Orange Alpine 5 which is great but recently I've been using my son's old Giant Talon 650B which is suprisingly capable thing and quite a bit of fun on the less challenging trails. I've decided to buy a Nukeproof Scout 275, mainly having seen some stonking deals on CRC website.
Now initially I was just going to go for the bobby basic 10 speed but mission creep has done it's thing and I'm now torn between the next one up (12 speed and 4 pot brakes - 'Comp') and then the level above that (Elite) with the Fox fork. I do like Fox and it feels like Rockshox and Marzochi forks would be a disappointment.
I'd be very keen to hear from any owners on what they think of the bike in general and whether it's worth going for the better model and, also, size. I'm 6ft but quite long in the leg so was going to go for an XL on the basis that the reviews say they tend to be a size below.
I'm also a convert to tubeless - it seems the Elite is 'tubeless ready' whatever that means whereas the entry level and Comp don't mention it.
Thanks for any comments before I decide to push the button (soz, I mean pull the trigger and 'drop' some dosh on one
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I have an Orange Alpine 5 which is great but recently I've been using my son's old Giant Talon 650B which is suprisingly capable thing and quite a bit of fun on the less challenging trails. I've decided to buy a Nukeproof Scout 275, mainly having seen some stonking deals on CRC website.
Now initially I was just going to go for the bobby basic 10 speed but mission creep has done it's thing and I'm now torn between the next one up (12 speed and 4 pot brakes - 'Comp') and then the level above that (Elite) with the Fox fork. I do like Fox and it feels like Rockshox and Marzochi forks would be a disappointment.
I'd be very keen to hear from any owners on what they think of the bike in general and whether it's worth going for the better model and, also, size. I'm 6ft but quite long in the leg so was going to go for an XL on the basis that the reviews say they tend to be a size below.
I'm also a convert to tubeless - it seems the Elite is 'tubeless ready' whatever that means whereas the entry level and Comp don't mention it.
Thanks for any comments before I decide to push the button (soz, I mean pull the trigger and 'drop' some dosh on one
)Having had a quick look at the specs I'd def be finding the brass to get the SLX12.
The cheaper Deore model comes with Z2's and Sram brakes which whilst there's nothing really wrong with those, I'd def be paying the extra £300 for SLX's and 36's.
Oh, you might already know this but Zocchi's are just Fox....
The cheaper Deore model comes with Z2's and Sram brakes which whilst there's nothing really wrong with those, I'd def be paying the extra £300 for SLX's and 36's.
Oh, you might already know this but Zocchi's are just Fox....
bobbo89 said:
Having had a quick look at the specs I'd def be finding the brass to get the SLX12.
The cheaper Deore model comes with Z2's and Sram brakes which whilst there's nothing really wrong with those, I'd def be paying the extra £300 for SLX's and 36's.
Oh, you might already know this but Zocchi's are just Fox....
Yeah, I think you're right life is too short - just need to reconcile myself to a bright yellow bike!The cheaper Deore model comes with Z2's and Sram brakes which whilst there's nothing really wrong with those, I'd def be paying the extra £300 for SLX's and 36's.
Oh, you might already know this but Zocchi's are just Fox....
I was aware that Fox now own Marzocchi but unfortunately they are their budget arm and I've heard that whilst worthy they lack the depth of quality and the suppleness of Fox which I really like.
I fckin love Nukeproof yellow so to me that'd be a selling point.
As for Fox/Marzocchi... I view it a bit differently in that the Marzocchi stuff isnt budget, you just don't get the option to have fancy and more adjustable dampers in the Zoccchi that you can with a Fox. If you're a fit and forget kind of person then a Zocchi is the fork to go for as you fit it, get the air pressure and rebound right then just ride it. If you're a tweaker and like fine tuning your suspension then Fox is the way to go as you get low and high rebound and compression to faff about with.
All the stuff is interchangeable too so you can fit any 36 parts to a Z1, I've just now swapped some lowers on my 36's for some Z1 lowers for tart reasons.
As for Fox/Marzocchi... I view it a bit differently in that the Marzocchi stuff isnt budget, you just don't get the option to have fancy and more adjustable dampers in the Zoccchi that you can with a Fox. If you're a fit and forget kind of person then a Zocchi is the fork to go for as you fit it, get the air pressure and rebound right then just ride it. If you're a tweaker and like fine tuning your suspension then Fox is the way to go as you get low and high rebound and compression to faff about with.
All the stuff is interchangeable too so you can fit any 36 parts to a Z1, I've just now swapped some lowers on my 36's for some Z1 lowers for tart reasons.
Edited by bobbo89 on Saturday 28th October 06:53
Nothing wrong with Marzocchi, I have a Z2 on my trail hardtail and its a very good fork. Leagues better than the Rockshox Recon it replaced.
Doesn't have the more complex tuning adjustment (high & low speed compression and rebound) of a Fox Elite or Factory grip2 damper but similar to a Fox Rhythm or Performance level. The base tune is good so it doesn't worry me not having as much tuning adjustment.
I see the Scout Elite has a Fox 36 Rhythm so the damper is similar to the Marzocchi, though the 36 is a little stiffer/burlier than the Z2 which is 34mm stanchion (albeit slightly stiffer than the Fox 34 apaprently).
I'd go for a 29 over a 27.5 version myself though.
Doesn't have the more complex tuning adjustment (high & low speed compression and rebound) of a Fox Elite or Factory grip2 damper but similar to a Fox Rhythm or Performance level. The base tune is good so it doesn't worry me not having as much tuning adjustment.
I see the Scout Elite has a Fox 36 Rhythm so the damper is similar to the Marzocchi, though the 36 is a little stiffer/burlier than the Z2 which is 34mm stanchion (albeit slightly stiffer than the Fox 34 apaprently).
I'd go for a 29 over a 27.5 version myself though.
Edited by GravelBen on Friday 27th October 23:45
Nothing wrong with the Z2 or the Z1 having owned both and have Z1 coils on my Mega.
The lower end Fox stuff is basically a Marzocchi anyway; a 36 Rhythm and Z1 are identical.
I sold my Scout recently due to lack of use. It started off with 140mm Z2’s before I added 150mm Z1’s. If I’m honest, it rode better with the shorter fork. They’re a fun bike though.
The lower end Fox stuff is basically a Marzocchi anyway; a 36 Rhythm and Z1 are identical.
I sold my Scout recently due to lack of use. It started off with 140mm Z2’s before I added 150mm Z1’s. If I’m honest, it rode better with the shorter fork. They’re a fun bike though.
GravelBen said:
Nothing wrong with Marzocchi, I have a Z2 on my trail hardtail and its a very good fork. Leagues better than the Rockshox Recon it replaced.
Doesn't have the more complex tuning adjustment (high & low speed compression and rebound) of a Fox Elite or Factory grip2 damper but similar to a Fox Rhythm or Performance level. The base tune is good so it doesn't worry me not having as much tuning adjustment.
I see the Scout Elite has a Fox 36 Rhythm so the damper is similar to the Marzocchi, though the 36 is a little stiffer/burlier than the Z2 which is 34mm stanchion (albeit slightly stiffer than the Fox 34 apaprently).
I'd go for a 29 over a 27.5 version myself though.
29ers are great for smashing through gnarly and rocky stuff - I already have one (Orange Alpine 29), but a 650b feels so much more fun and lively that I would like one as an alternative for less severe trails.Doesn't have the more complex tuning adjustment (high & low speed compression and rebound) of a Fox Elite or Factory grip2 damper but similar to a Fox Rhythm or Performance level. The base tune is good so it doesn't worry me not having as much tuning adjustment.
I see the Scout Elite has a Fox 36 Rhythm so the damper is similar to the Marzocchi, though the 36 is a little stiffer/burlier than the Z2 which is 34mm stanchion (albeit slightly stiffer than the Fox 34 apaprently).
I'd go for a 29 over a 27.5 version myself though.
Edited by GravelBen on Friday 27th October 23:45
bobbo89 said:
Having had a quick look at the specs I'd def be finding the brass to get the SLX12.
The cheaper Deore model comes with Z2's and Sram brakes which whilst there's nothing really wrong with those, I'd def be paying the extra £300 for SLX's and 36's.
Oh, you might already know this but Zocchi's are just Fox....
...just ordered the Elite in XL size, due for delivery next Monday so let's see what happens.The cheaper Deore model comes with Z2's and Sram brakes which whilst there's nothing really wrong with those, I'd def be paying the extra £300 for SLX's and 36's.
Oh, you might already know this but Zocchi's are just Fox....
Paid with a Visa so no worries if it goes tits up
Bought a Nukeproof Scout Comp 290 in the black friday sales last year for £1400.
As others have said, Marzocchi are now owned by Fox and are Fox without all the bells and whistles. Just really decent forks. The Z2 reviews very very well as being well performing and very good value.
I went with the scout because it comes with a dropper post, 12x1 speed groupset, big brakes, and proper forks, so no need to upgrade anything. I went 29er as having ridden the different sizes, 29er works better all round on a hardtail. (I'd go mullet on a full suss though.) Deore is also a really great performing capable groupset. Though mine came with Raceface cranks and Sram brakes rather than shimano because of supply chain issues, from what I can tell the substitutes are as good or better.
To me, the comp represents everything 90% of riders would ever need. You'd have to be a very high level rider shredding big gnarly stuff to NEED and utilise the higher specs, but then maybe you'd be best served by a full suss anyway. I usually run out of talent (get scared) far sooner than the bike does. . That being said, its not all about 'need'. If you like the higher specs and can comfortably afford them, go for it, if you want.
Its a really great fun bike that can take on most things well and enjoyably. Descends very well, and climbs well enough. I haven't felt the need to upgrade anything or left wanting.
As others have said, Marzocchi are now owned by Fox and are Fox without all the bells and whistles. Just really decent forks. The Z2 reviews very very well as being well performing and very good value.
I went with the scout because it comes with a dropper post, 12x1 speed groupset, big brakes, and proper forks, so no need to upgrade anything. I went 29er as having ridden the different sizes, 29er works better all round on a hardtail. (I'd go mullet on a full suss though.) Deore is also a really great performing capable groupset. Though mine came with Raceface cranks and Sram brakes rather than shimano because of supply chain issues, from what I can tell the substitutes are as good or better.
To me, the comp represents everything 90% of riders would ever need. You'd have to be a very high level rider shredding big gnarly stuff to NEED and utilise the higher specs, but then maybe you'd be best served by a full suss anyway. I usually run out of talent (get scared) far sooner than the bike does. . That being said, its not all about 'need'. If you like the higher specs and can comfortably afford them, go for it, if you want.
Its a really great fun bike that can take on most things well and enjoyably. Descends very well, and climbs well enough. I haven't felt the need to upgrade anything or left wanting.
bwtalbot said:
Bought a Nukeproof Scout Comp 290 in the black friday sales last year for £1400.
As others have said, Marzocchi are now owned by Fox and are Fox without all the bells and whistles. Just really decent forks. The Z2 reviews very very well as being well performing and very good value.
I went with the scout because it comes with a dropper post, 12x1 speed groupset, big brakes, and proper forks, so no need to upgrade anything. I went 29er as having ridden the different sizes, 29er works better all round on a hardtail. (I'd go mullet on a full suss though.) Deore is also a really great performing capable groupset. Though mine came with Raceface cranks and Sram brakes rather than shimano because of supply chain issues, from what I can tell the substitutes are as good or better.
To me, the comp represents everything 90% of riders would ever need. You'd have to be a very high level rider shredding big gnarly stuff to NEED and utilise the higher specs, but then maybe you'd be best served by a full suss anyway. I usually run out of talent (get scared) far sooner than the bike does. . That being said, its not all about 'need'. If you like the higher specs and can comfortably afford them, go for it, if you want.
Its a really great fun bike that can take on most things well and enjoyably. Descends very well, and climbs well enough. I haven't felt the need to upgrade anything or left wanting.
Thanks for that, seems I've made a good choice. I did look at the comp and was set on one but mans maths kicked in and as the XL was £1400 I considered it worthwhile for the extra outlay.As others have said, Marzocchi are now owned by Fox and are Fox without all the bells and whistles. Just really decent forks. The Z2 reviews very very well as being well performing and very good value.
I went with the scout because it comes with a dropper post, 12x1 speed groupset, big brakes, and proper forks, so no need to upgrade anything. I went 29er as having ridden the different sizes, 29er works better all round on a hardtail. (I'd go mullet on a full suss though.) Deore is also a really great performing capable groupset. Though mine came with Raceface cranks and Sram brakes rather than shimano because of supply chain issues, from what I can tell the substitutes are as good or better.
To me, the comp represents everything 90% of riders would ever need. You'd have to be a very high level rider shredding big gnarly stuff to NEED and utilise the higher specs, but then maybe you'd be best served by a full suss anyway. I usually run out of talent (get scared) far sooner than the bike does. . That being said, its not all about 'need'. If you like the higher specs and can comfortably afford them, go for it, if you want.
Its a really great fun bike that can take on most things well and enjoyably. Descends very well, and climbs well enough. I haven't felt the need to upgrade anything or left wanting.
I deliberately chose the 275 as I have an Orange 29er full sus and this gives me another option. I feel that 275 is the sweet spot in terms of playfullness and response and gives the best of both worlds between an old school 26 and a 29.
We do a lot of natural riding in the Lakes in summer and the 29er just smashes though everything but is not especially engaging.
Looking foward to it arriving.
Well the bike turned up and looks great!
A question for the Scout owners - it's 'tubless ready' but I'm not sure what that means - nothing on the tyres to say they are tubeless but perhaps they don't do that any longer?
What, if anything, do I need to do before hitting the thorn encrusted byeways at this time of year - stick some slime in or are they already provided with it?
Cheers
A question for the Scout owners - it's 'tubless ready' but I'm not sure what that means - nothing on the tyres to say they are tubeless but perhaps they don't do that any longer?
What, if anything, do I need to do before hitting the thorn encrusted byeways at this time of year - stick some slime in or are they already provided with it?
Cheers
Lotobear said:
Well the bike turned up and looks great!
A question for the Scout owners - it's 'tubless ready' but I'm not sure what that means - nothing on the tyres to say they are tubeless but perhaps they don't do that any longer?
What, if anything, do I need to do before hitting the thorn encrusted byeways at this time of year - stick some slime in or are they already provided with it?
Cheers
Also interested in the answer to this. My wheels and tyres are 'tubeless ready' so I'm thinking just needs a valve and then fire some goo in? My understanding is you also need a decent pump to set the bead properly but not looked into any of it properly yet.A question for the Scout owners - it's 'tubless ready' but I'm not sure what that means - nothing on the tyres to say they are tubeless but perhaps they don't do that any longer?
What, if anything, do I need to do before hitting the thorn encrusted byeways at this time of year - stick some slime in or are they already provided with it?
Cheers
Tubeless ready assumes you've got tubeless rims and tyres so going from there you need 3 other things, tubeless rim tape, tubeless valves and sealant.
There's a good chance your rims will already be taped up but def check first before doing anything.
Valves can be bought cheap enough but your sealant is where you don't want to cheap out too much. I've run several over the years and TBH, never had a problem with any. Stans, Muc-Off, Peatys and Orange have all been solid and I've even used some WTB stuff which is holding air in one of my fronts better than anything else right now.
One other option you've got when going tubeless is the ability to fit inserts, I run Rimpact and think they're amazing value for money, can get two inserts with valves right now for £50. Not bad when you can pay £20 for valves and these come with them so you're paying £15 per insert.
If I had some tubeless ready wheels right now I'd be buying some Rimpact inserts which come with valves and a couple of pouches of Peaty's sealant that can be squeezed through the valve with the core removed. Don't worry about inflating them until it's actually a problem, I'm yet to not seat a tyre with just a track pump.
There's a good chance your rims will already be taped up but def check first before doing anything.
Valves can be bought cheap enough but your sealant is where you don't want to cheap out too much. I've run several over the years and TBH, never had a problem with any. Stans, Muc-Off, Peatys and Orange have all been solid and I've even used some WTB stuff which is holding air in one of my fronts better than anything else right now.
One other option you've got when going tubeless is the ability to fit inserts, I run Rimpact and think they're amazing value for money, can get two inserts with valves right now for £50. Not bad when you can pay £20 for valves and these come with them so you're paying £15 per insert.
If I had some tubeless ready wheels right now I'd be buying some Rimpact inserts which come with valves and a couple of pouches of Peaty's sealant that can be squeezed through the valve with the core removed. Don't worry about inflating them until it's actually a problem, I'm yet to not seat a tyre with just a track pump.
Edited by bobbo89 on Friday 3rd November 19:03
Court_S said:
Lotobear said:
and you were absolutely right!
...any suggestions on which gloop to purchase?
Not Muc-Off or Continental because they’re both rubbish....any suggestions on which gloop to purchase?
Stans is usually good. I’m currently using Peaty’s and it seems ok so far.
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