Welsh 20mph Limit and cycling
Discussion
Just a thought, with Wales dropping the speed limit to 20, it’s going to be very easy to break the speed limit while cycling. I’m off to Wales with my road bike in just over a weeks time and starting to wonder if it’s possible to get a speeding ticket while cycling? And what licence would any points go on, I don’t think the Welsh police would be too impressed if I dig out my Cycling Proficiency certificate from when I was 11 
All this is in theory of course and a little tongue in cheek but it does make me think.
All this is in theory of course and a little tongue in cheek but it does make me think.
Keeping up with traffic (even pulling away) from cars in villages is now easily possible, they stick to 20mph on their speedo which is around 16-18mph on gps.
Its actually quite frustrating!
I would suggest keeping right out on almost all roads, the number of close passes has increased but I put that down to bad driving rather than the recent speed limit change.
Just remember to leave 1.5 meters when overtaking cars in the 20's
Its actually quite frustrating!
I would suggest keeping right out on almost all roads, the number of close passes has increased but I put that down to bad driving rather than the recent speed limit change.
Just remember to leave 1.5 meters when overtaking cars in the 20's
anonymous said:
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Shockingly poor page. Maybe they gave it over to the work-experience teenager.Here's another barrister who actually quotes the law:
counsel-direct said:
Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years.
http://www.counsel.direct/news/wanton-furious-driving-law-defencesThere are plenty of references to it all over the net.
https://www.norfolkchamber.co.uk/member-blog/cycli...
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crow...
https://road.cc/content/news/98005-man-court-wanto...
road.cc said:
Despite popular cycling mythology, a rider cannot be stopped for wanton and furious cycling. For the offence to kick in, an injury has to occur.
It’s actually not a good thing limiting cars to 20mph because that’s pretty much the speed a decent cyclist will be riding at. Whereas 30mph is clearly fast enough that all cyclists will be overtaken.
Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
Crippo said:
It’s actually not a good thing limiting cars to 20mph because that’s pretty much the speed a decent cyclist will be riding at. Whereas 30mph is clearly fast enough that all cyclists will be overtaken.
Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
This, I live in Berkshire and plenty of villages are now 20mph and I get over taken by cars when I am doing 20mph on my bike. Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
Mainly the enthusiast cyclists will have speed/computers, however these aren't "calibrated" in the same way as car speedos are and no type approval type going on either.
The only way you're going to change the law to mean speeding applies to cyclists is to mandate type approved speed displaying devices on ALL bikes on the road.
That aint gonna happen!
The only way you're going to change the law to mean speeding applies to cyclists is to mandate type approved speed displaying devices on ALL bikes on the road.
That aint gonna happen!
Crippo said:
It’s actually not a good thing limiting cars to 20mph because that’s pretty much the speed a decent cyclist will be riding at. Whereas 30mph is clearly fast enough that all cyclists will be overtaken.
Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
It’s only 20mph where there are houses or people. Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
I just take primary and roll with it. Outside these areas nothing has changed.
Crippo said:
It’s actually not a good thing limiting cars to 20mph because that’s pretty much the speed a decent cyclist will be riding at. Whereas 30mph is clearly fast enough that all cyclists will be overtaken.
Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
That's a good thing. In 2021 I rode London to Brighton with the veteran cars. The final stretch was the A23. Planned to use one of the cars as cover, turned out they had their own coned off lane, and I got marshalled onto the dual carriageway with the other traffic. NSL.Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
But, because the left lane was coned off, it was rather congested. Rather than 70 mph, the traffic speed was down to 20-30 mph.
Once I was able to accelerate to match the flow, a couple of waves of braking and a nice big gap to my right had me taking the opportunity to overtake in the right hand lane. Travelling at similar speeds, it felt completely safe.
If you're keeping up with the flow of traffic, you can settle into primary, not worry about close passes, and focus on what's ahead of you. It's so much more relaxing.
Somewhat akin to this example outside Cribbs Causeway:
monthou said:
Damp Logs said:
I'm surprised its not been mentioned, but most cyclists these days have computers which record speed (average, max and current) which should be accessible in the event of an accident.
Most?A small fraction I would have thought.
Solocle said:
If you're keeping up with the flow of traffic, you can settle into primary, not worry about close passes, and focus on what's ahead of you. It's so much more relaxing.
Of course you could always be a bit less of an idiot and not actively seek out dual carriageways and motorways to "accidentally" ride on.Julian Scott said:
monthou said:
Damp Logs said:
I'm surprised its not been mentioned, but most cyclists these days have computers which record speed (average, max and current) which should be accessible in the event of an accident.
Most?A small fraction I would have thought.
monthou said:
Julian Scott said:
monthou said:
Damp Logs said:
I'm surprised its not been mentioned, but most cyclists these days have computers which record speed (average, max and current) which should be accessible in the event of an accident.
Most?A small fraction I would have thought.
I would still say that a cyclist that can go over 20mph, is really quite likely to have a bike computer.
Julian Scott said:
monthou said:
Julian Scott said:
monthou said:
Damp Logs said:
I'm surprised its not been mentioned, but most cyclists these days have computers which record speed (average, max and current) which should be accessible in the event of an accident.
Most?A small fraction I would have thought.
I would still say that a cyclist that can go over 20mph, is really quite likely to have a bike computer.
Where are you going with it?
Crippo said:
It’s actually not a good thing limiting cars to 20mph because that’s pretty much the speed a decent cyclist will be riding at. Whereas 30mph is clearly fast enough that all cyclists will be overtaken.
Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
This is what I see constantly in Richmond borough, which is almost all 20mph limit.Now we are in the jurisdiction of cycling being slightly faster but not quite fast enough to overtake cars safely. So in effect we will be held up by the cars and or cycling at the same speed which in my view could lead to more danger
Car goes to overtake cyclist but refuses to break 20mph and get it over with, so you end up with a sort of racing elephant scenario except the overtaking car is now causing oncoming traffic to stop or swerve.
As I cyclist I would like to be overtaken briskly with there being only the briefest of time when I have a car by my side.
I much preferred it when the limit was 30mph. The 20s seem to have turned almost all drivers into dozy gits who can no longer concentrate.
outnumbered said:
Of course you could always be a bit less of an idiot and not actively seek out dual carriageways and motorways to "accidentally" ride on.
Of course you could maybe be less of an idiot and not let your brain come up with nonsensical hallucinations based on fragmented memory. Why would I actively seek out dual carriageways to "accidentally" ride on? It's entirely legal to cycle on the vast majority of dual carriageways! As for motorways, perhaps stop making false allegations? You're referring to a single incident that was accidental, but because of illegal signage. Strangely I feel very strongly about signage as a result.
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