Canyon vs Fuji vs Trek
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I am a fan of Treks bikes ... but I am under no illusion that all bikes are the same from the mass manufacturers.
The same levels of carbon with a lower and upper grade from most manufacturers, all from the same factories and all wearing the same components from Shimano, SRAM and Campag.
Any increase in RRP for one bike over another is to cover the increase in marketing spend to sell these products. Call me cynical but thats how the bike industry and many others for that matter works.
Trek are currently sold through the retail channel although maybe going direct to customer like Canyon. Will Trek bikes become cheaper? My guess is no ... the money made by cutting out the retailer will be extra profit for Trek. Fuji seem to be sold by Go outdoors and CR and are just another mass market brand.
The same levels of carbon with a lower and upper grade from most manufacturers, all from the same factories and all wearing the same components from Shimano, SRAM and Campag.
Any increase in RRP for one bike over another is to cover the increase in marketing spend to sell these products. Call me cynical but thats how the bike industry and many others for that matter works.
Trek are currently sold through the retail channel although maybe going direct to customer like Canyon. Will Trek bikes become cheaper? My guess is no ... the money made by cutting out the retailer will be extra profit for Trek. Fuji seem to be sold by Go outdoors and CR and are just another mass market brand.
Salted_Peanut said:
Talk to me about Canyon and Fuji road bikes. All I know about them is they sell online and offer good specs for the money 
How do they compare to brands like Trek that sell through shops?
never own a Canyon, but I have a Fuji RB and a Trek RB in the pastHow do they compare to brands like Trek that sell through shops?
Fuji have a better spec for the same money, higher spec, for the same price range Fuji will get you 105 , Trek you will end up with Tiagra
but the frame on Fuji feel softer(both my Fuji and Trek are aluminium frame) while Trek frame is on another level.
Fuji you are buying the mid grade Shimano that come with a frame, and Trek you are buying the frame come with entry grade Shimano, that's how i see it
for a budget bike I had a Merida Cyclocross and I think it is best value for money especially when it park next to my Bianchi
I stop cycling for about 10 years, things might have change though
Salted_Peanut said:
Talk to me about Canyon and Fuji road bikes. All I know about them is they sell online and offer good specs for the money
How do they compare to brands like Trek that sell through shops?
I have a Canyon Ultimate (since 2019) and I love it. However, I don't think the savings achieved by using the D2C model are as good now as they used to be, particularly with things like Brexit driving up the cost of buying from Europe (Canyon being German for example).How do they compare to brands like Trek that sell through shops?
Mine was a reasonable price for the spec even at the time (Ultegra Di2) but even since 2019 I noticed that the price for the exact same model has gone up over 30% so I'm not sure how it compares to buying from a shop now.
I can't speak on Fuji/Trek as I haven't had either.
Frustratingly, bike prices have gone through the roof for anything imported from Europe.
Most importantly, the current Canyon colour is “Cold Cactus”. What was Canyon thinking?
kurokawa said:
Fuji have a better spec for the same money, higher spec, for the same price range Fuji will get you 105 , Trek you will end up with Tiagra
but the frame on Fuji feel softer(both my Fuji and Trek are aluminium frame) while Trek frame is on another level.
Fuji you are buying the mid grade Shimano that come with a frame, and Trek you are buying the frame come with entry grade Shimano
Many thanks. A 105-equipped aluminium endurance bike costs £1,500 from Canyon and Fuji, whereas Trek's Tiagra-equipped Domane costs £1,875. However, I don’t know how the three aluminium frames ( Trek Domane AL4, Canyon Endurace 7 and Fuji Sportif 1.1) compare in 2023.but the frame on Fuji feel softer(both my Fuji and Trek are aluminium frame) while Trek frame is on another level.
Fuji you are buying the mid grade Shimano that come with a frame, and Trek you are buying the frame come with entry grade Shimano
Most importantly, the current Canyon colour is “Cold Cactus”. What was Canyon thinking?
My experience with Canyon was around 5 years ago......
I purchased a Canyon Aeroad with Ultegra Di2, it arrived partially built and I put the handlebars and front wheel on. It looked great but the front derailleur was on finger tight at best, Canyon paid for a local bike shop to index the gears, align the derailleur etc. (it was my first Di2 bike and dint know how to index Di2). Bike was great, really quick and responsive but I noticed the paint on the top tube was rubbing away (matte black). I contacted Canyon and was fobbed off initially by their UK service centre so I escalated it by emailing the CEO in Germany and a replacement was quickly arranged but again the paint finish was patchy and I wasn't happy spending that much on a bike with looked 5 years old within a matter of weeks.
Canyon arranged collection and I received a full refund and got a Trek Madone. The Canyon was great and really quick but I feel that the Trek is another level up in terms of quality, it's just as quick but far comfier than the Canyon and you can see more development has gone in to the Trek.
Although it's probably not the best analogy, the Canyon was like a track car on the road, very quick, not very refined and nice components. The Trek is like a BMW M5 on the road, quick and smooth but can be comfy and just as quick on track 99% of the time.
My experience with Canyon probably wasn't the best and I know others who have purchased them and had good/bad experiences. There customer service from the UK end was very relaxed and the I didn't have confidence in what they were telling me but I still find myself looking at there bikes from time to time!
I purchased a Canyon Aeroad with Ultegra Di2, it arrived partially built and I put the handlebars and front wheel on. It looked great but the front derailleur was on finger tight at best, Canyon paid for a local bike shop to index the gears, align the derailleur etc. (it was my first Di2 bike and dint know how to index Di2). Bike was great, really quick and responsive but I noticed the paint on the top tube was rubbing away (matte black). I contacted Canyon and was fobbed off initially by their UK service centre so I escalated it by emailing the CEO in Germany and a replacement was quickly arranged but again the paint finish was patchy and I wasn't happy spending that much on a bike with looked 5 years old within a matter of weeks.
Canyon arranged collection and I received a full refund and got a Trek Madone. The Canyon was great and really quick but I feel that the Trek is another level up in terms of quality, it's just as quick but far comfier than the Canyon and you can see more development has gone in to the Trek.
Although it's probably not the best analogy, the Canyon was like a track car on the road, very quick, not very refined and nice components. The Trek is like a BMW M5 on the road, quick and smooth but can be comfy and just as quick on track 99% of the time.
My experience with Canyon probably wasn't the best and I know others who have purchased them and had good/bad experiences. There customer service from the UK end was very relaxed and the I didn't have confidence in what they were telling me but I still find myself looking at there bikes from time to time!
I have a Fuji Mountain Bike, which had much better equipment on it compared with other similarly priced bikes. I've covered 400 mile ish on it and had no complaints, apart from the SRAM rear derailleur developing a fault where it no longer holds tension (currently in discussions with Wiggle about fixing under warranty). I know it's not a road bike, but I've been happy with my Fuji, its nicer to ride than aging GT it replaced, but that could simply be down to modern bike vs 10 year old bike.
I was looking for a road bike recently around that sort of price range and ended up with a Ribble Endurance. Alu frame and 105 groupset for a smidge over £1k - though I don't pay VAT as I'm out of the UK, and looks like prices have gone up slightly so think it's might be pretty much the same as the Canyon
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-endurance-al...
(it looks, to my eyes at least, in the main photo like a silver colour - it's not, it a dark grey - the closeups of the groupset and wheels give a better idea of the colour)
Only downside is it wasn't from stock so took about 2 weeks to arrive (which was actually quicker than they said it would be at order)
Haven't had to deal with Ribble customer service (yet!) so can't comment on that
Might be worth a look
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-endurance-al...
(it looks, to my eyes at least, in the main photo like a silver colour - it's not, it a dark grey - the closeups of the groupset and wheels give a better idea of the colour)
Only downside is it wasn't from stock so took about 2 weeks to arrive (which was actually quicker than they said it would be at order)
Haven't had to deal with Ribble customer service (yet!) so can't comment on that
Might be worth a look
Am fortunate in that I’m just over half an hour from Dorking (Canyon bike hire place there) so could get to do proper test rides (2h) on some Canyon bikes I was interested in buying.
Ended up getting an Ultimate eTap and very happy I am with it too, it’s a fantastic bike. I researched a few other bikes, but the fact that I could do a proper test ride ( 20miles rather than a sit on/ride in a car park) meant I knew I was getting the right bike.
Customer service - I had a couple of very minor marks (on on saddle that would never see and a tiny one on handlebar cockpit) - both the sort of thing that we end up marking within a couple of rides anyway
So, I contacted Canyon and straight away they offered me 3 options (return bike, some touch up paint or £65 voucher in their store). I took the latter and got some kit from their store. Very happy with that outcome.
A mate has a Trek (similar spec, slightly better maybe) but cost a LOT more. The same price would not have had eTap.
Ultimately, I don’t think you’ll go far wrong with any of these mid/high end bikes. Having a good test ride was the best thing I did (as was going to get an Endurace before I did!).
Ended up getting an Ultimate eTap and very happy I am with it too, it’s a fantastic bike. I researched a few other bikes, but the fact that I could do a proper test ride ( 20miles rather than a sit on/ride in a car park) meant I knew I was getting the right bike.
Customer service - I had a couple of very minor marks (on on saddle that would never see and a tiny one on handlebar cockpit) - both the sort of thing that we end up marking within a couple of rides anyway
So, I contacted Canyon and straight away they offered me 3 options (return bike, some touch up paint or £65 voucher in their store). I took the latter and got some kit from their store. Very happy with that outcome.A mate has a Trek (similar spec, slightly better maybe) but cost a LOT more. The same price would not have had eTap.
Ultimately, I don’t think you’ll go far wrong with any of these mid/high end bikes. Having a good test ride was the best thing I did (as was going to get an Endurace before I did!).
My first proper road bike was a Fuji. I brought it from Evans and it was bloody great (some years ago now).
Had no real issues apart from the chain ring giving up the ghost (it was Suntour I think with 105 gears). I replaced it with a 105 chainring.
Did thousands of trouble free miles, still have it in the unit at work. Its not worth very much but I have a soft spot for it so its staying (Havent ridden it in years)
Had no real issues apart from the chain ring giving up the ghost (it was Suntour I think with 105 gears). I replaced it with a 105 chainring.
Did thousands of trouble free miles, still have it in the unit at work. Its not worth very much but I have a soft spot for it so its staying (Havent ridden it in years)
iceyfuel said:
Orro are a good option. Although they are UK based I believe the frames are made in Taiwan. I have a Venturi Evo 105 which was a decent price, certainly less than Trek, Giant etc.
They get discounted pretty well too so worth a look IMO.
Thats a good shout, I have a small fleet of 3 Orro bikes They get discounted pretty well too so worth a look IMO.
STC Gold with DI2
Gold Tiagra for winter
Terra Gravel was my winter bike but thats my indoor bike now
All have been very reliable and I have completed the Dragon on the Gold STC and Gravel with no issues,
BMWM2Black said:
Thats a good shout, I have a small fleet of 3 Orro bikes
STC Gold with DI2
Gold Tiagra for winter
Terra Gravel was my winter bike but thats my indoor bike now
All have been very reliable and I have completed the Dragon on the Gold STC and Gravel with no issues,
That’s a great fleet there! STC Gold with DI2
Gold Tiagra for winter
Terra Gravel was my winter bike but thats my indoor bike now
All have been very reliable and I have completed the Dragon on the Gold STC and Gravel with no issues,
I am really tempted by a second hand Gold for winter riding and the more relaxed ride.
Portofino said:
I have the Trek Domane with Tiagra & all I can say is it’s a great endurance/comfort bike. The frame copes with the worst surfaces whilst feeling stiff and responsive.
The Domane looks great, but its prices must have been hit by inflation. In 2023, bikes are less affordable than ever – it’s no wonder the industry’s reporting a sales downturn.Personally I think you’ll struggle to beat Orro for value, Mrs CM7 got a Venturi a few years ago and it has been solid. The headset bearings have been replaced, but it has been used as a winter/bad weather bike and I’m not sympathetic when cleaning it.
I’ve recently got a Terra as my first foray into gravel, can’t wait until my next outing.
At the moment there are some pretty big discounts to be had on all sorts of bikes, if you shop around bargains can easily be found.
Finally, I’d not buy a bike online. I see massive value in bike shops, they might cost a little more sometimes but they are there to help with warranties and we need them to exist to fix things when they go wrong. If we stop using them then they won’t be there when we need them. I try to support my local shops as best I can and in turn they look after me.
I’ve recently got a Terra as my first foray into gravel, can’t wait until my next outing.
At the moment there are some pretty big discounts to be had on all sorts of bikes, if you shop around bargains can easily be found.
Finally, I’d not buy a bike online. I see massive value in bike shops, they might cost a little more sometimes but they are there to help with warranties and we need them to exist to fix things when they go wrong. If we stop using them then they won’t be there when we need them. I try to support my local shops as best I can and in turn they look after me.
Portofino said:
I have the Trek Domane with Tiagra & all I can say is it’s a great endurance/comfort bike. The frame copes with the worst surfaces whilst feeling stiff and responsive.
I’ll be upgrading the wheels at some point to make it snappier but overall very happy with it.
The Domane is a great bike. Not the lightest but super comfortable. You can tell it is a quality piece of kit. It is more expensive than a lot of bike species to the same level but you can tell where the money has gone. I’ll be upgrading the wheels at some point to make it snappier but overall very happy with it.
I've been really happy with mine and having just bought a new race/aero bike, I have converted mine into a hybrid gravel/winter road bike. Still a joy to ride on the roads even on gravel tyres.
For most people the Domane will be all the road bike they will ever need and really suits people either new to road bikes or just don't want to be in an ultra low position all the time and would prefer an endurance set up.
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