Weight & brakes

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oddball1313

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1,261 posts

129 months

Tuesday 4th July 2023
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Anyone else fed up with idiots on youtube/bike forums unable to start to do some critical thinking and realise that 7.2kg isn’t a heavy bike. Every fking video on a pros bike now has this endless stream of sheep who immediately bang on about why is it so heavy and how their rim brakes are so amazing. Well for starters lets go down a hill in the rain with your carbon wheels and rim brakes - see you in hospital later, and despite pro performance getting quicker and quicker their bikes are rubbish because this lot with their 15 year old beaters are convinced they’d be quicker if they swapped over to their 20 year old Triggers broom that lives in the garage and never sees day light Its the most moronic conversation going but because its the only metric of a bike you can definitively measure they think its all that matters and the weight of 10 chicken stock cubes is the difference between winning the TDF and being the lantern rouge. if it was a car and you maintained that 5kg between two cars or 7Hp automatically meant one would lap Silverstone quicker you’d quite rightly label the individual an idiot. i’m pretty sure most of them are over weight arm chair experts who don’t actually ride very much unless its over 20 degrees and a short flat route but I wish to god they’d fk off back to 2005 and and stay there.

mcelliott

8,861 posts

187 months

Wednesday 5th July 2023
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oddball1313 said:
Anyone else fed up with idiots on youtube/bike forums unable to start to do some critical thinking and realise that 7.2kg isn’t a heavy bike. Every fking video on a pros bike now has this endless stream of sheep who immediately bang on about why is it so heavy and how their rim brakes are so amazing. Well for starters lets go down a hill in the rain with your carbon wheels and rim brakes - see you in hospital later, and despite pro performance getting quicker and quicker their bikes are rubbish because this lot with their 15 year old beaters are convinced they’d be quicker if they swapped over to their 20 year old Triggers broom that lives in the garage and never sees day light Its the most moronic conversation going but because its the only metric of a bike you can definitively measure they think its all that matters and the weight of 10 chicken stock cubes is the difference between winning the TDF and being the lantern rouge. if it was a car and you maintained that 5kg between two cars or 7Hp automatically meant one would lap Silverstone quicker you’d quite rightly label the individual an idiot. i’m pretty sure most of them are over weight arm chair experts who don’t actually ride very much unless its over 20 degrees and a short flat route but I wish to god they’d fk off back to 2005 and and stay there.
I have 3 road bike, 2 disc one rim, I actually prefer the rim bike cos yes it's lighter it's never been a problem in the wet, high Alps in March rain and snow, but also loading it into the car is way quicker on the quick release, so yes to me bikes have gone backwards imo. in some aspects.

GiantCardboardPlato

5,104 posts

27 months

Wednesday 5th July 2023
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oddball1313 said:
but because its the only metric of a bike you can definitively measure
Also dimensions
Colour/wavelength of reflected light
Stiffness of various bits
Gear ratios
Etc.etc.

By the way, in otherwise equivalent cars 5kg less weight or 7hp difference would absolutely result in faster laps around a circuit.,

oddball1313

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1,261 posts

129 months

Wednesday 5th July 2023
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GiantCardboardPlato said:
Also dimensions
Colour/wavelength of reflected light
Stiffness of various bits
Gear ratios
Etc.etc.

By the way, in otherwise equivalent cars 5kg less weight or 7hp difference would absolutely result in faster laps around a circuit.,
I'm pretty sure there's a load more involved in the fastest lap between 2 cars than a few Hp and Kg (Verstappen and Perez settle that argument pretty convincingly) and i'm pretty sure Ineos, UAE & Jumbo and the rest of the pro tour know more about bike speed & perfomance than the average Youtube pundit, if winning the tour meant losing 200g off a bike they would, if it makes no difference then why would you bother.

tertius

6,914 posts

236 months

Wednesday 5th July 2023
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oddball1313 said:
I'm pretty sure there's a load more involved in the fastest lap between 2 cars than a few Hp and Kg (Verstappen and Perez settle that argument pretty convincingly) and i'm pretty sure Ineos, UAE & Jumbo and the rest of the pro tour know more about bike speed & perfomance than the average Youtube pundit, if winning the tour meant losing 200g off a bike they would, if it makes no difference then why would you bother.
There is a UCI minimum weight limit:

https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/uci-weight-limi...

troc

3,848 posts

181 months

Wednesday 5th July 2023
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The TdF teams could easily run lighter bikes but - as has been stated - there is a minimum weight limit. To get the bikes up to the weight limit, they do things like screw their computers to the mount (wahoo users should have seen the screw in the box for doing just that to the ‘out front’ mount) to make them part of the bike rather than a detachable element.

The climbing bikes will be a few grams heavier than the UCI limit and the normal tour bikes are around 1-200g above the limit these days.

Some of the very specialised UK hill climbing bikes weigh wel under 5kg I think but they are extremely specific and not really useful for anything else.

GiantCardboardPlato

5,104 posts

27 months

Thursday 6th July 2023
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Another good way to get the bike up to the weight limit is putting a hidden battery and an electric motor in the frame