Anyone Else Had This Happen?

Anyone Else Had This Happen?

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Blatter

Original Poster:

865 posts

197 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Was out on a shortish ride yesterday, got to the homeward half mile uphill and sat back down on the seat to settle in for the climb, only to have my seat post snap where it exits the frame.



I didn't mind too much as thankfully it was only a short distance from home and I was able to stand-pedal for the remainder. What I was more concerned about is that this is now the second time in just over a year that my Cannondale SuperSix Evo Carbon Ultegra has done this and it's only just over two years old confused

Has anyone else had this happen to their Cannondale?

Thankfully, my local shop were able to supply a replacement this morning while they submit the above to Cannondale for a warranty claim.


oddball1313

1,261 posts

129 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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never - can't believe its done that to be honest, ridden posts made by BMC, Giant, Canyon, Zipp and Bianchi and never had as much as a creak never mind a complete failure, it's not being over tighened (5Nm seems to be the normal torque setting for a post clamp)?

I guess just be thankful it wasn't the front forks or steerer.

Blatter

Original Poster:

865 posts

197 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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It was torqued up to 6Nm, as recommended by Cannondale.

boyse7en

7,035 posts

171 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Not me, but i nearly crashed into the back of a rider in a group i go out with when his post snapped and he went down hard in the road.


He wasn't riding a Cannondale ( i think it was a Argon 18 frame, don't know the post brand)


TheDrownedApe

1,161 posts

62 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Is that an alu or carbon stem? looks like shiny metal where it's broken.

It is very weird and never seen it before in a benign environment you've mentioned; and it's your 2nd one to snap!! the educated guess would be ITS YOU riding weirdly. seems you don't sit particularly far back on the stem either.

Blatter

Original Poster:

865 posts

197 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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TheDrownedApe said:
Is that an alu or carbon stem? looks like shiny metal where it's broken.

It is very weird and never seen it before in a benign environment you've mentioned; and it's your 2nd one to snap!! the educated guess would be ITS YOU riding weirdly. seems you don't sit particularly far back on the stem either.
It's an aluminium stem, and you're right - I don't sit that far back.

What looks to have happened is there's been a hairline crack developed first on the forward side of the stem. It is noticeably darker (older). It's reached about halfway and then you can see where the crack is more "granulated" as the whole thing has given way.

I'm no stick-insect, but I weigh in at 78Kg, which I'm sure is within tolerance for the post.

The only other clue as to what might have happened is that at the bottom end of the stem, on the forward side, the paint had been worn, indicating that the stem might have been spending time in contact with the frame, maybe "pivoting" about the exit point at the top rear of the seat tube? i.e. the stem is possibly slightly undersized for the seat tube?


spikeyhead

17,815 posts

203 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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It's possible that the frame hole is larger than it should be.

I can't imagine any other failure mode could happen twice.

Super Sonic

6,835 posts

60 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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After the first time I would have got a stronger post. It's not just about your weight, it's also about your riding style.

andyeds1234

2,394 posts

176 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Super Sonic said:
After the first time I would have got a stronger post. It's not just about your weight, it's also about your riding style.
It’s not anything to do with riding style.
It’s a seatpost, it’s meant to be sat on.

It’s a failure that shouldn’t happen, and at a guess it’s either the wrong diameter for the frame, or the seat tube has been manufactured out of tolerance, so the post is moving when it shouldn’t.

gangzoom

6,675 posts

221 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Super Sonic said:
After the first time I would have got a stronger post. It's not just about your weight, it's also about your riding style.
That's a load of rubbish, how on earth can you blame the rider for clearly a major manufacturer or design fault given its happened twice.

Even on a £60 Halfords special I've never seen any seat post come close to falling like the OPs. Scary, as if it's happened twice now, the chances of it happening again is pretty certain I would have thought!

keith2.2

1,100 posts

201 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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You’ve been putting Dark Matter in your saddle bag again, haven’t you….

Deefor62

483 posts

154 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Yes. However I realised something wasn’t quite right before it let go altogether.
In my case it was a carbon post in a titanium frame.
I think the reason for failure in my case was due to me over tightening it as it kept slipping, despite use of carbon paste.
I replaced it with a titanium post which is far more comfortable.

JungTheForeman

67 posts

93 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Note quite the same but I did have this happen last year just as I'd turned on to my street on the way back.

Felt it move back and pulled it off in my hand while still riding


Scrump

22,767 posts

164 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Blatter said:
It was torqued up to 6Nm, as recommended by Cannondale.
As an aside to the main point of this thread, how do you tighten it up? I cannot see any form of clamp in your pictures. (Apologies for the cycling numpty question!)

wobert

5,222 posts

228 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Is the frame totally smooth around the periphery of the hole the seat post goes into?

If there’s a burr or raised edge, this could, after time cause a stress raiser on the seat post that then leads to crack propagation and failure ( which is how it appears to have failed)?

Blatter

Original Poster:

865 posts

197 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Scrump said:
As an aside to the main point of this thread, how do you tighten it up? I cannot see any form of clamp in your pictures. (Apologies for the cycling numpty question!)
There's an Allen Bolt in the forward side of the frame that tightens the internal clamp:


LiamD

255 posts

207 months

Thursday 11th August 2022
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Is enough of the post being inserted into the frame?

wobert

5,222 posts

228 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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I had my Thomson seat post out of the frame last night to reapply carbon paste.

They use an ovalised cross section where the thicker part of the post is to fore and aft when installed on the bike, exactly where the loading will be when you’re sat on it.

I notice your post is basically a round tube of constant section.

Given you’ve had it fail twice, would imply:

- something on the frame is causing a stress raiser.

- the post design isn’t fit for purpose.

- you’re loading it in a way that is outside of the design parameters.

Personally, I would replace with a design similar to the Thomson one.

addey

1,081 posts

173 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Pretty sure that post is 'D' shaped as opposed to round? So unlikely there are any after-market posts that would fit

It looks like you have the saddle quite far back i.e. clamped towards the front of the rails which would obviously increase the leverage on the post when you are seated. Do Cannondale make a post with more set-back?

Edited by addey on Friday 12th August 11:22

InitialDave

12,166 posts

125 months

Friday 12th August 2022
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Never done that, though I've bent a couple with impact damage.