Slightly crunchy drivetrain mystery

Slightly crunchy drivetrain mystery

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dontlookdown

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1,914 posts

99 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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I keep my drivetrain clean and well adjusted but still I get what I can only describe as a slightly 'crunchy' feeling on a semi-regular basis. It comes and goes apparently at random, just started doing it again the other week, has persisted after fitting new chain and cassette about a week ago.

There is no accompanying noise, it is felt through the pedals rather than heard. Gears are indexed and shift smoothly, derailleur stops adjusted. Crunch is worst in lower gears (biggest sprockets on the cassette). Chain ring (single) is not brand new but only a few months old and not really worn. Cleaning seems to make it worse if anything;)

In a week or two more it will probably go away of its own accord if history is anything to go by. But I would rather not wait for that - I like a smooth pedalling bike and it is starting to get quite annoying...

Scoobyshue

237 posts

168 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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Is it your pedals?

Maybe try taking the cassette off, cleaning all interfaces, re-grease and re-install. Make sure it is torqued correctly as well.

Have you looked at the jockey wheels too?

Edited by Scoobyshue on Tuesday 8th February 09:43

dontlookdown

Original Poster:

1,914 posts

99 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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Cheers,

I checked the pedals over at the weekend and they seem all good. Smooth and no 'lumps'.

Thing is. I just did all the other v sensible stuff suggested when I fitted new chain and cassette. V carefully! And still the crunch remains...

ukbabz

1,589 posts

132 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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How old is the bike? Could be the BB starting to go

or your knees ;-)

Camoradi

4,364 posts

262 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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Rear wheel bearings (esp. drive side)?

It could be there all the time but just more apparent at lower speeds with less other vibration / wind noise etc

Scoobyshue

237 posts

168 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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It may just be that it is a 1x set up and it doesn't really like the extremes on chain line. If it goes by itself after a few rides it may just be everything "bedding in".

I would say that if you are confident it is all clean and bearings are in good shape, then don't worry.

gp1699

402 posts

210 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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I have put 1x11 on a 20 year old orange, it has intermittent grinding that you can feel through the pedals, sort of like an on off on off rotational noise.

think my problem is down to chain line.

dontlookdown

Original Poster:

1,914 posts

99 months

Tuesday 8th February 2022
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Bike is 5yrs old and I ride it a lot. Well maintained, I like to think!

Bearings and BB both good shouts. They seem fine but as said, may only show up under load. Will strip the hub for starters, it could with it anyway.

Knees a def possibility. Not available in my LBS however;)

duckwhistle

276 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th February 2022
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The pedals may feel ok when spun by hand. With leg force on them things might be different. Can you borrow a set to swop & try? Otherwise strip them and knock out the bearings, check the bearing surfaces for wear. You feel this through your feet, start with the parts nearest them and work back.

dontlookdown

Original Poster:

1,914 posts

99 months

Friday 4th March 2022
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Somewhat inconclusive update on this for anyone who might be interested.

Stripped, regreased and adjusted both pedals and rear hub. Small improvement and the worst crunchiness is now in the higher rather than lower gears which may be preferable;)

One thing that has impressed me is the quality of the hubs, which are Shimano and really supposed to be for MTBs. They maybe a bit on the heavy side but they are very well sealed. Pristine when I opened up the rear one although it is 7yrs old and it's 2yrs since I last serviced it.

Ridden year round in all weather. So long as I keep the cones well adjusted i think they will last forever!

KobayashiMaru86

1,291 posts

216 months

Friday 4th March 2022
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Not a crack in the cranks? Saw a video of some Shimano cranks failing.

_Hoppers

1,330 posts

71 months

Friday 4th March 2022
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I had some crunchiness in the larger rear cogs, couldn't work it out at first as it seemded to happen overnight! It turned out to be the wheel which wasn't 100% centred after I had taken it out.

dontlookdown

Original Poster:

1,914 posts

99 months

Friday 4th March 2022
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
Not a crack in the cranks? Saw a video of some Shimano cranks failing.
Slightly alarming thought. I will check them but didn't spot anything amiss when I did the pedals.

Barchettaman

6,474 posts

138 months

Friday 4th March 2022
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dontlookdown said:
KobayashiMaru86 said:
Not a crack in the cranks? Saw a video of some Shimano cranks failing.
Slightly alarming thought. I will check them but didn't spot anything amiss when I did the pedals.
Ultegra/Dura Ace only, 105 is fine.

dontlookdown

Original Poster:

1,914 posts

99 months

Saturday 5th March 2022
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Barchettaman said:
Ultegra/Dura Ace only, 105 is fine.
Tks. 105 is what I have so that's good to know.

wfarrell

232 posts

226 months

Saturday 5th March 2022
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It could be derailleur hanger alignment ? -- most decent bike shops will have the right tool to check and align this for you

https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/rear-der...






upsidedownmark

2,120 posts

141 months

Monday 7th March 2022
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Recently traced my driveline issues to an exceedingly worn (prematurely so) jockey wheel on the RD, which the chain was no longer following properly. Not something I've seen even in many years of riding, so unlikely, but maybe worth a check.

dontlookdown

Original Poster:

1,914 posts

99 months

Monday 7th March 2022
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upsidedownmark said:
Recently traced my driveline issues to an exceedingly worn (prematurely so) jockey wheel on the RD, which the chain was no longer following properly. Not something I've seen even in many years of riding, so unlikely, but maybe worth a check.
I have some spare jockey wheels so will give that a whirl, tks.

Also checked alignment but only with a straight edge by eye. Might drop by LBS and ask them to pop it on the gauge.

Its a bit of a poser. Albeit only a minor thing but I do like a smooth drivechain so it grates, literally and metaphorically!