Cycling deaths rise by 40% during Covid
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/24/cycl...
Seems reducing traffic, makes life more dangerous.
Seems reducing traffic, makes life more dangerous.
The rise is cycle ownership and use was far greater than 40% during Covid, but they don't say how much.
More of a concern for me was that during the stay at home period, the car deaths only fell by 15%.
Edited to say I've read more of the article, and it goes on to say that due to the increase in the amount of cycling, the injury per mile figure is actually down 30%. I suppose that's not such a good headline.
More of a concern for me was that during the stay at home period, the car deaths only fell by 15%.
Edited to say I've read more of the article, and it goes on to say that due to the increase in the amount of cycling, the injury per mile figure is actually down 30%. I suppose that's not such a good headline.
Edited by the tribester on Friday 25th June 08:57
the tribester said:
The rise is cycle ownership and use was far greater than 40% during Covid, but they don't say how much.
More of a concern for me was that during the stay at home period, the car deaths only fell by 15%.
Edited to say I've read more of the article, and it goes on to say that due to the increase in the amount of cycling, the injury per mile figure is actually down 30%. I suppose that's not such a good headline.
More of a concern for me was that during the stay at home period, the car deaths only fell by 15%.
Edited to say I've read more of the article, and it goes on to say that due to the increase in the amount of cycling, the injury per mile figure is actually down 30%. I suppose that's not such a good headline.
Edited by the tribester on Friday 25th June 08:57
That is the key point.
200% increase in cycling during lockdown - Hardly surprising if this statistic is correct.
https://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/8285/cycling-has-in...
https://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/8285/cycling-has-in...
JEA1K said:
V8covin said:
Having seen the way most cyclists ride on the highway I'm surprised it's not more.
'Most'?More cyclists are dying because of poor driving standards, not poor cycling standards ...
sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
Tye Green said:
the number of cyclist has risen significantly in the last few years and there doesn't seem to be any consistency in how a group of cyclists use the road. sometimes, they can be in a close convoy at two abreast and will maintain that order when a car (or a group of cars) comes up behind. in other cases they revert to single file. in other cases they can be travelling single file then change to two abreast when they hear the cars get closer.
sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
So whats your point? Every situation/scenario is different ... narrow road, wide road etc. Consistency of riders isn't the issue, as I have already stated, its poor driving standards. sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
I have had drivers pass me with 'mm' to spare @ 60mph + ... they wouldn't overtake a tractor with mm to spare would they, so why a cyclist?
From the Highway code ...
- Bikes may have to move out to avoid drains, potholes or debris on the road, so give them as much room as possible.
The Highway Code Rule 163 says to give cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would give overtaking a car. -
Tye Green said:
the number of cyclist has risen significantly in the last few years and there doesn't seem to be any consistency in how a group of cyclists use the road. sometimes, they can be in a close convoy at two abreast and will maintain that order when a car (or a group of cars) comes up behind. in other cases they revert to single file. in other cases they can be travelling single file then change to two abreast when they hear the cars get closer.
sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
I was thinking more along the lines of not looking before making a manoeuvre,being oblivious to what's going on around them because they've got headphones on or on their phones etc etc.sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
Pedestrians are as bad mind
V8covin said:
I was thinking more along the lines of not looking before making a manoeuvre,being oblivious to what's going on around them because they've got headphones on or on their phones etc etc.
Pedestrians are as bad mind
Or driving whilst operating a phone or exceeding the speed limit or distracted or just having a MGIF attitude.Pedestrians are as bad mind
Responsibility for deaths on the road rests with all roads users, trying to apportion blame because some cyclists are careless does not exonerate the many many cases of bad and careless driving.
I can relate to this.
I jumped back on the bike last summer after a while off. Really got into it, bought new gear, signed up to strava, concentrated on circuit times etc. Stuck to the cycle tracks whilst I built up fitness etc.
Around a month later I decided on a route which I've driven in the past, and coming down a hill I took a corner far too quick - ended up on the wrong side of the road. Although it was a quiet country road, I was lucky there was no car coming the other way. I suspect I'm not the only one who's confidence was greater than their ability.
I jumped back on the bike last summer after a while off. Really got into it, bought new gear, signed up to strava, concentrated on circuit times etc. Stuck to the cycle tracks whilst I built up fitness etc.
Around a month later I decided on a route which I've driven in the past, and coming down a hill I took a corner far too quick - ended up on the wrong side of the road. Although it was a quiet country road, I was lucky there was no car coming the other way. I suspect I'm not the only one who's confidence was greater than their ability.
JEA1K said:
Tye Green said:
the number of cyclist has risen significantly in the last few years and there doesn't seem to be any consistency in how a group of cyclists use the road. sometimes, they can be in a close convoy at two abreast and will maintain that order when a car (or a group of cars) comes up behind. in other cases they revert to single file. in other cases they can be travelling single file then change to two abreast when they hear the cars get closer.
sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
So whats your point? Every situation/scenario is different ... narrow road, wide road etc. Consistency of riders isn't the issue, as I have already stated, its poor driving standards. sometimes they give the finger when you pass unless you have slowed to walking pace !
I have had drivers pass me with 'mm' to spare @ 60mph + ... they wouldn't overtake a tractor with mm to spare would they, so why a cyclist?
From the Highway code ...
- Bikes may have to move out to avoid drains, potholes or debris on the road, so give them as much room as possible.
The Highway Code Rule 163 says to give cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would give overtaking a car. -
as a car driver (or one car within a group of cars) this is a significant hazard because they are essentially a long and slow obstacle which may, or may not, change to an even longer & thinner one, or even a shorter and wider obstacle.
two abreast cyclists in a group on a narrow road is madness
So an extra 40 with how many additional cyclists during lockdown? Probably hundreds of thousands. I saw dozens on rusty old bikes with no helmets or lights. Yes motorists were going faster, traffic tends to slow everyone down but you put thousands of additional inexperienced cyclists on the roads and numbers will increase.
BoRED S2upid said:
So an extra 40 with how many additional cyclists during lockdown? Probably hundreds of thousands. I saw dozens on rusty old bikes with no helmets or lights. Yes motorists were going faster, traffic tends to slow everyone down but you put thousands of additional inexperienced cyclists on the roads and numbers will increase.
Read the thread?springfan62 said:
Or driving whilst operating a phone or exceeding the speed limit or distracted or just having a MGIF attitude.
Responsibility for deaths on the road rests with all roads users, trying to apportion blame because some cyclists are careless does not exonerate the many many cases of bad and careless driving.
Never said it did, there's bad drivers,bad cyclists, bad pedestriansResponsibility for deaths on the road rests with all roads users, trying to apportion blame because some cyclists are careless does not exonerate the many many cases of bad and careless driving.
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