Upgrading to a 'superbike'
Discussion
I've been riding for just over a year now and love it, I get out most days and usually clock up 150-200 miles a week. I'm currently riding a Giant Propel with 105 & discs, which I'm fairly happy with however I've never been a big fan of the looks (it was quite the bargain just before lockdown).
However browsing Facebook last night I came across a Pinarello F10 Dogma, used but at what appears to be a decent price to me. The thing is I don't really know what to expect from something like this bike - will it be much of an improvement on my Giant? The Giant is a pretty fast bike on the flat so I'm not expecting miracles but what should I realistically expect from this kind of bike?
I'm going to have a look at it tomorrow (from a store) but would really just appreciate any advice or input from more experienced riders really. Asking price of just over £4500.
Spec is as follows - (I'm 5ft 10)
Frame
Pinarello Carbon Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbonwith Nanoalloy Technology
557MM Top Tube
Fork
Pinarello Carbon Fork ONDA F10 with ForkFlap
Shifters
SRAM Red eTap Hydraulic 11 Speed
Chainset
SRAM Red 50/34T 172.5mm with Quarq Powermeter
Brakeset
SRAM Red Hydraulic
Front Derailleur
SRAM Red eTap
Rear Derailleur
SRAM Red eTap
Cassette
SRAM Red 11/32T
Wheelset
Mavic Cosmic Disc Tubeless Ready
Tyres
Vittoria Rubino Pro 25mm set up Tubeless
Saddle
Selle SMP Stratos
Stem
MOST Talon Carbon Integrated
Bars
MOST Talon Carbon Integrated 42cm c-c
However browsing Facebook last night I came across a Pinarello F10 Dogma, used but at what appears to be a decent price to me. The thing is I don't really know what to expect from something like this bike - will it be much of an improvement on my Giant? The Giant is a pretty fast bike on the flat so I'm not expecting miracles but what should I realistically expect from this kind of bike?
I'm going to have a look at it tomorrow (from a store) but would really just appreciate any advice or input from more experienced riders really. Asking price of just over £4500.
Spec is as follows - (I'm 5ft 10)
Frame
Pinarello Carbon Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbonwith Nanoalloy Technology
557MM Top Tube
Fork
Pinarello Carbon Fork ONDA F10 with ForkFlap
Shifters
SRAM Red eTap Hydraulic 11 Speed
Chainset
SRAM Red 50/34T 172.5mm with Quarq Powermeter
Brakeset
SRAM Red Hydraulic
Front Derailleur
SRAM Red eTap
Rear Derailleur
SRAM Red eTap
Cassette
SRAM Red 11/32T
Wheelset
Mavic Cosmic Disc Tubeless Ready
Tyres
Vittoria Rubino Pro 25mm set up Tubeless
Saddle
Selle SMP Stratos
Stem
MOST Talon Carbon Integrated
Bars
MOST Talon Carbon Integrated 42cm c-c
Edited by MockingJay on Thursday 24th September 18:29
That’s about right.I’d suggest that it could be a size too big for you looking at the geometry chart, and also just based on the look of it. However the jumps in size are only small and your height is the minimum for the frame size so you might be ok, it depends to some extent on your proportions.
Hopefully the staff at the shop will be able to check your fit on the bike without any bias
Hopefully the staff at the shop will be able to check your fit on the bike without any bias
BrundanBianchi said:
If you’re buying the best then there’s only one groupset and its not american or japanese. Their disk brakes don’t howl like a strangled cat in the wet either oddball1313 said:
BrundanBianchi said:
If you’re buying the best then there’s only one groupset and its not american or japanese. Their disk brakes don’t howl like a strangled cat in the wet either sociopath said:
That depends if you buy it because you want it to work or if you want it because of what make it is
5000 miles on super record and not a single fault, totally reliable and silent disk brakes as well. It’s just better than the others period. Shimano in fairness is OK but i hear nothing other than horror stories with SRAM. OK lets get it out there first and foremost - There is really no material way to justify buying a 'superbike' over a great mid range bike.
The quality of mid range equipment now is so good that 99% of people just won't notice the difference in a blind test (take 105 / ultegra / da for example).
So with that out of the way.
It depends why you want it.
It WILL 'feel' different to ride. I've never ridden a Giant or a Pinarello so I can't be specific, but going from my Felt AR to my XR4 - they're totally different to ride and frankly the XR4 is just a more pleasurable experience. It's smoother, it turns in better, it holds a line better, less skittish and just has a 'flow' to the handling that the Felt can't hold a candle to. It also cost three times as much (relatively close comparison: both aero frame offering, both ultegra (albeit di2 and disc on the bianchi).
Would I have been just as happy on a similarly spec'd XR3 for half the price? Probably. But I'd have known it wasn't the XR4. I'd have known I didn't have the integrated cockpit etc.
I made the decision based on: I'd rather spend the extra and LOVE it, than save money and always wonder if I should have got the one I really wanted.
Every time I get on it, the first few pedal strokes remind me 'bloody hell this is good'.
Which brings me back to why you want it.
Is it because it seems like a good price for what it is? Or is it because you lust after an F10? Both perfectly good reasons, but the latter will leave you happier than the former if it turns out to feel very similar.
The F10 is a work of art vs the Giant. I have my bikes hanging up in the living room and I still find myself glancing over at them like I've caught a glimpse up a girls skirt.
If you want it and you can afford it, buy it. You'll love it. You'll also wonder where the hell you go from there.
Personally I wouldn't give a second thought to 'bike too good for you' etc. A friend of mine has been riding for 12 months, He started on an Orbea, 3 months later he bought his first Factor. He now has 2 Factors, an S-works Tarmac and an S-works Venge. All black on black. All with 3k gbp wheelsets. Each with their own garmin. Each with their own helmets and shoes. He's spent about 50k on them and it doesn't matter that his ftp is about 190w because he loves riding them.
Every driver should drive a 911 at some point, and every cyclist should ride a 'super bike' at some point.
Life's too short to worry about justifying spending money on something you like, because you can, to people you don't know.
Just please let us know what you think of it vs the Giant!
The quality of mid range equipment now is so good that 99% of people just won't notice the difference in a blind test (take 105 / ultegra / da for example).
So with that out of the way.
It depends why you want it.
It WILL 'feel' different to ride. I've never ridden a Giant or a Pinarello so I can't be specific, but going from my Felt AR to my XR4 - they're totally different to ride and frankly the XR4 is just a more pleasurable experience. It's smoother, it turns in better, it holds a line better, less skittish and just has a 'flow' to the handling that the Felt can't hold a candle to. It also cost three times as much (relatively close comparison: both aero frame offering, both ultegra (albeit di2 and disc on the bianchi).
Would I have been just as happy on a similarly spec'd XR3 for half the price? Probably. But I'd have known it wasn't the XR4. I'd have known I didn't have the integrated cockpit etc.
I made the decision based on: I'd rather spend the extra and LOVE it, than save money and always wonder if I should have got the one I really wanted.
Every time I get on it, the first few pedal strokes remind me 'bloody hell this is good'.
Which brings me back to why you want it.
Is it because it seems like a good price for what it is? Or is it because you lust after an F10? Both perfectly good reasons, but the latter will leave you happier than the former if it turns out to feel very similar.
The F10 is a work of art vs the Giant. I have my bikes hanging up in the living room and I still find myself glancing over at them like I've caught a glimpse up a girls skirt.
If you want it and you can afford it, buy it. You'll love it. You'll also wonder where the hell you go from there.
Personally I wouldn't give a second thought to 'bike too good for you' etc. A friend of mine has been riding for 12 months, He started on an Orbea, 3 months later he bought his first Factor. He now has 2 Factors, an S-works Tarmac and an S-works Venge. All black on black. All with 3k gbp wheelsets. Each with their own garmin. Each with their own helmets and shoes. He's spent about 50k on them and it doesn't matter that his ftp is about 190w because he loves riding them.
Every driver should drive a 911 at some point, and every cyclist should ride a 'super bike' at some point.
Life's too short to worry about justifying spending money on something you like, because you can, to people you don't know.
Just please let us know what you think of it vs the Giant!
Edited by keith2.2 on Friday 25th September 02:25
sociopath said:
That depends if you buy it because you want it to work or if you want it because of what make it is
What a cliche that is, although usually aimed at cars more than push bikes. My previous bike had a mix of the lower end Campag stuff, none of that failed or broke beyond normal wear and tear. The hoods felt better than any Shimano hoods I've ever ridden with, and the shift action was nicer too.Shimano aren't immune for manufacturing defects -
I wouldn't buy another bike with Ultegra because of the above. Hopefully they have changed how they make them in the last 5 years.
Once you get to a certain level, its diminishing returns.
Will a top of the line Dogma be quicker than your Propel? in most (if not all) situations, yes. is it worth the bang for the buck? Probably not - if you were wanting to get faster, there are probably better places to put your money - power meter, coach, new wheels - take your pick. Will a badly fitted Dogma be slower and worse than your Propel - yes.
That's not really the right question though - if it fits, you want it and can afford it - why not? No-one has to justify their bike choice - you are on a website chock full of guys with cars far exceeding their abilities - bikes are no different.
Edit - I say that as a Propel owner and I really cannot fault it.
Will a top of the line Dogma be quicker than your Propel? in most (if not all) situations, yes. is it worth the bang for the buck? Probably not - if you were wanting to get faster, there are probably better places to put your money - power meter, coach, new wheels - take your pick. Will a badly fitted Dogma be slower and worse than your Propel - yes.
That's not really the right question though - if it fits, you want it and can afford it - why not? No-one has to justify their bike choice - you are on a website chock full of guys with cars far exceeding their abilities - bikes are no different.
Edit - I say that as a Propel owner and I really cannot fault it.
Edited by Parsnip on Friday 25th September 12:44
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