Who's at fault?
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It's quick glance, signal then pull out is that right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHViWzhN0ws&lc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHViWzhN0ws&lc...
EarlofDrift said:
It's quick glance, signal then pull out is that right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHViWzhN0ws&lc...
Can't see that the cyclist did anything particularly wrong there. Personally I'd have given another over-the-shoulder check before moving into the filter lane just in case someone else was barrelling up to outside of the dashcam car.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHViWzhN0ws&lc...
I hate doing this on a bike, cutting in front of traffic. Sometimes I arm out like that with plenty of room and still get impatient throbbers coming past me so i just pull out like that sometimes (safely as I can).
Neither at fault. Cyclist had to do it really. car should have slowed down. Car didn't hit the cyclist which was good.
Other than raising the temperature of the car driver slightly did anything bad happen?
Neither at fault. Cyclist had to do it really. car should have slowed down. Car didn't hit the cyclist which was good.
Other than raising the temperature of the car driver slightly did anything bad happen?
What happened to arm signalling when changing lanes?
I'm a cyclist but wouldn't have much sympathy for that one if there had been an incident due to their lack of any signalling to the car driver their intention to move into the next lane. Not particularly obvious that they even bothered to look behind them before/during moving either.
I'm a cyclist but wouldn't have much sympathy for that one if there had been an incident due to their lack of any signalling to the car driver their intention to move into the next lane. Not particularly obvious that they even bothered to look behind them before/during moving either.
chrisch77 said:
What happened to arm signalling when changing lanes?
I'm a cyclist but wouldn't have much sympathy for that one if there had been an incident due to their lack of any signalling to the car driver their intention to move into the next lane. Not particularly obvious that they even bothered to look behind them before/during moving either.
You can see their helmet move as they look behind them and they signal for a few seconds I'm a cyclist but wouldn't have much sympathy for that one if there had been an incident due to their lack of any signalling to the car driver their intention to move into the next lane. Not particularly obvious that they even bothered to look behind them before/during moving either.
The cyclist possibly didn't want to get "pinned" in the two inner lanes when they wanted to turn right.I don't think it's unreasonable to expect other road users are going to be changing lanes at a junction and the driver had to slow & stop to join the back of the queue in ~20 metres up the road anyway, unless they planned to test the crumple zones on the back of the Corsa...
chrisch77 said:
What happened to arm signalling when changing lanes?
I'm a cyclist but wouldn't have much sympathy for that one if there had been an incident due to their lack of any signalling to the car driver their intention to move into the next lane. Not particularly obvious that they even bothered to look behind them before/during moving either.
Watch again, they clearly signalled before moving.I'm a cyclist but wouldn't have much sympathy for that one if there had been an incident due to their lack of any signalling to the car driver their intention to move into the next lane. Not particularly obvious that they even bothered to look behind them before/during moving either.
Also is there anything more pathetic and pitiable in life than the dashcam moron who uploads innocuous incididents like this to youtube? What must their life be like?
Edited by BugLebowski on Thursday 30th July 12:22
I'm not a cyclist. Rider did everything fine by me. They needed to change lanes and did so in a considerate way (not half a mile earlier which the driver would not have liked either). She kept well in to the kerb too not occupying a lane before her move. Spot on by the cyclist I'd say :-)
MikeStroud said:
I'm not a cyclist. Rider did everything fine by me. They needed to change lanes and did so in a considerate way (not half a mile earlier which the driver would not have liked either). She kept well in to the kerb too not occupying a lane before her move. Spot on by the cyclist I'd say :-)
Probably better to occupy a lane approaching a junction like that.But yes, shoulder check approaching a junction is already a signal that they want to change lane. Cammer in L1 at the time.
They then signal immediately. Utterly clear what their intention is.
JQ said:
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t driving. The conflict was created by the car driver's rush to overtake the cyclist.
Edited to add - rushing served no purpose as there was a red light in front of the cyclist. t driving. The conflict was created by the car driver's rush to overtake the cyclist.We all make mistakes and one could forgive the cam car for making said mistake, I've made plenty. I'll certainly never forget pulling out of a side road into the path of a cyclist, fortunately he had decent brakes and accepted my grovelling apology. However in the case of this video, after getting home, reviewing the footage and coming to the conclusion that their driving was impeccable and uploading it to Youtube, just points to the car driver being a knobber.
JQ said:
Edited to add - rushing served no purpose as there was a red light in front of the cyclist.
We all make mistakes and one could forgive the cam car for making said mistake, I've made plenty. I'll certainly never forget pulling out of a side road into the path of a cyclist, fortunately he had decent brakes and accepted my grovelling apology. However in the case of this video, after getting home, reviewing the footage and coming to the conclusion that their driving was impeccable and uploading it to Youtube, just points to the car driver being a knobber.
Pretty much. We all make mistakes and one could forgive the cam car for making said mistake, I've made plenty. I'll certainly never forget pulling out of a side road into the path of a cyclist, fortunately he had decent brakes and accepted my grovelling apology. However in the case of this video, after getting home, reviewing the footage and coming to the conclusion that their driving was impeccable and uploading it to Youtube, just points to the car driver being a knobber.
disclaimer: I haven't watched the video.
It strikes me, though, that the people who delight in uploading dashcam footage seem to actively create or at least deliberateily fail to avoid situations that they believe gives them a moral highground.
'look at this wombler pulling out on the roundabout - jump on the horn and uplaod to youtube'
where actually you could see it was going to happen, and would have cost you 1.3 seconds on your journey time to simply lift off the throttle and let everyone get on with their lives.
Not all, but many are sanctimonius scumbags.
It strikes me, though, that the people who delight in uploading dashcam footage seem to actively create or at least deliberateily fail to avoid situations that they believe gives them a moral highground.
'look at this wombler pulling out on the roundabout - jump on the horn and uplaod to youtube'
where actually you could see it was going to happen, and would have cost you 1.3 seconds on your journey time to simply lift off the throttle and let everyone get on with their lives.
Not all, but many are sanctimonius scumbags.
keith2.2 said:
disclaimer: I haven't watched the video.
It strikes me, though, that the people who delight in uploading dashcam footage seem to actively create or at least deliberateily fail to avoid situations that they believe gives them a moral highground.
'look at this wombler pulling out on the roundabout - jump on the horn and uplaod to youtube'
where actually you could see it was going to happen, and would have cost you 1.3 seconds on your journey time to simply lift off the throttle and let everyone get on with their lives.
Not all, but many are sanctimonius scumbags.
YouTube monetised it though and sadly there’s often a reasonable income to be made from that sort of behaviour these days....It strikes me, though, that the people who delight in uploading dashcam footage seem to actively create or at least deliberateily fail to avoid situations that they believe gives them a moral highground.
'look at this wombler pulling out on the roundabout - jump on the horn and uplaod to youtube'
where actually you could see it was going to happen, and would have cost you 1.3 seconds on your journey time to simply lift off the throttle and let everyone get on with their lives.
Not all, but many are sanctimonius scumbags.
keith2.2 said:
disclaimer: I haven't watched the video.
It strikes me, though, that the people who delight in uploading dashcam footage seem to actively create or at least deliberateily fail to avoid situations that they believe gives them a moral highground.
'look at this wombler pulling out on the roundabout - jump on the horn and uplaod to youtube'
where actually you could see it was going to happen, and would have cost you 1.3 seconds on your journey time to simply lift off the throttle and let everyone get on with their lives.
Not all, but many are sanctimonius scumbags.
I swear half of them are people driving next to someones rear quarter on a roundabout in the hope they move slightly into their lane. I used to know someone who did that.It strikes me, though, that the people who delight in uploading dashcam footage seem to actively create or at least deliberateily fail to avoid situations that they believe gives them a moral highground.
'look at this wombler pulling out on the roundabout - jump on the horn and uplaod to youtube'
where actually you could see it was going to happen, and would have cost you 1.3 seconds on your journey time to simply lift off the throttle and let everyone get on with their lives.
Not all, but many are sanctimonius scumbags.
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