Bike shops swapping parts on new bikes.

Bike shops swapping parts on new bikes.

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Louis Balfour

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27,404 posts

228 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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Still a thing?

When I used to buy bikes, if I wanted a different saddle / stem / whatever the bike shop would swap them and I'd pay any price difference.

I've just got back from the Specialized Concept Store, looking for a road bike for Lady Balfour, and they won't do it. You've got to buy new parts and discard the old.

I wonder whether Specialized dealers that aren't Concept Stores might be more flexible?


Tony1963

5,224 posts

168 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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I’d guess they can sell almost every bike and bike part at around list price all day.

valiant

11,156 posts

166 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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Most bike shops tend to copy and paste the manufacturers pages when it comes to a particular bike’s spec so I imagine it will cock it all up for them if they swap stuff out especially if you walk in and find it different to what the website said if they haven’t bothered to update the listing.

I also imagine the concept store has to adhere to very strict manufacturer requirements on how bikes are presented for sale.

Louis Balfour

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27,404 posts

228 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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valiant said:
Most bike shops tend to copy and paste the manufacturers pages when it comes to a particular bike’s spec so I imagine it will cock it all up for them if they swap stuff out especially if you walk in and find it different to what the website said if they haven’t bothered to update the listing.

I also imagine the concept store has to adhere to very strict manufacturer requirements on how bikes are presented for sale.
Perhaps I haven't made myuself clear.

If we buy Lady Balfour a bike and she wants a different saddle I don't really want to have to pay to swap it. Time was when a bike shops would swap a saddle or stem at no cost when selling a new bike.


Mastodon2

13,889 posts

171 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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Louis Balfour said:
Perhaps I haven't made myuself clear.

If we buy Lady Balfour a bike and she wants a different saddle I don't really want to have to pay to swap it. Time was when a bike shops would swap a saddle or stem at no cost when selling a new bike.
As said, they then have a sale, but they're left with a bike with mis-matched parts. If someone comes in wanting a pee-built bike exactly as per the manufacturer spec, they'll need to order the missing parts in. I guess there was a time when it was worth their effort but maybe it's more hassle than it's worth for them now.

wheelerc

225 posts

148 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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Don't they then end up with a technically used (or at least unboxed) spare part which they can't sell as new? What's in it for them?

I suspect if they have done this previously for you it would have been at a loss on the price of the replacement part in order to secure the sale.

Louis Balfour

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27,404 posts

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Sunday 19th July 2020
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Mastodon2 said:
Louis Balfour said:
Perhaps I haven't made myuself clear.

If we buy Lady Balfour a bike and she wants a different saddle I don't really want to have to pay to swap it. Time was when a bike shops would swap a saddle or stem at no cost when selling a new bike.
As said, they then have a sale, but they're left with a bike with mis-matched parts. If someone comes in wanting a pee-built bike exactly as per the manufacturer spec, they'll need to order the missing parts in. I guess there was a time when it was worth their effort but maybe it's more hassle than it's worth for them now.
No they don't. They sell saddles separately. They will just have one fewer saddle A in stock and one more saddle B.


squirdan

1,096 posts

153 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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have a look at cycle exchange in Kingston. very flexible and will do any build you want including valuing parts you dont want. Ask for Josh Hobbs

g7jhp

6,992 posts

244 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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As long as the bike shop has the other saddle or wheels in as a product surely they can do a swap.

They may charge a little extra.

The alternative would be to buy the bike and buy the 2nd saddle separately and ask the shop to swap it over and then sell your original saddle 'as new' on eBay.

I do think big bike brands should offer some flexibility on things like wheel specs as car manufacturers do.





g7jhp

6,992 posts

244 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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As long as the bike shop has the other saddle or wheels in as a product surely they can do a swap.

They may charge a little extra.

The alternative would be to buy the bike and buy the 2nd saddle separately and ask the shop to swap it over and then sell your original saddle 'as new' on eBay.

I do think big bike brands should offer some flexibility on things like wheel specs as car manufacturers do.





Louis Balfour

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Sunday 19th July 2020
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g7jhp said:
As long as the bike shop has the other saddle or wheels in as a product surely they can do a swap.

They may charge a little extra.

The alternative would be to buy the bike and buy the 2nd saddle separately and ask the shop to swap it over and then sell your original saddle 'as new' on eBay.

I do think big bike brands should offer some flexibility on things like wheel specs as car manufacturers do.
They always used to. I am just checking what is the norm now.



snotrag

14,824 posts

217 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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No it does not work like that.

You are expecting them to value a used saddle, probably with marked rails, no packaging and quite possibly even a model that is not available aftermarket or with differing graphics to the retail version, at full retail price.

The bike spec is the spec, there's not much the shop (who are at the long end of a chain of companies involved) in being able to do much to it.




g7jhp

6,992 posts

244 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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snotrag said:
No it does not work like that.

You are expecting them to value a used saddle, probably with marked rails, no packaging and quite possibly even a model that is not available aftermarket or with differing graphics to the retail version, at full retail price.

The bike spec is the spec, there's not much the shop (who are at the long end of a chain of companies involved) in being able to do much to it.
I get what you're saying especially for parts which are only available on the model.

However a LBS could easily upgrade a bike on Roval C38s to C50s if they stocked both.

If a 2nd customer came in wanting C38s they'd just use the 'as new' unused pair.

It just depends if there is some margin in it.

My LBS can't get stock of new bikes at present and has turned to selling 2nd hand trade-ins.

If there's an opportunity to make money why not especially if there are customers who want the service.

Sandersports

181 posts

195 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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You went to a Global market franchise shop looking for local independent owner shop service ... Thats the actual problem.

TwistingMyMelon

6,390 posts

211 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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Sandersports said:
You went to a Global market franchise shop looking for local independent owner shop service ... Thats the actual problem.
THIS!

Try a local LBS /independent whop

Its like you walked into a Ferrari dealership wanting bits of trim off another model

Louis Balfour

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27,404 posts

228 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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Sandersports said:
You went to a Global market franchise shop looking for local independent owner shop service ... Thats the actual problem.
I am aware that we went to probably the least flexible of all retailers.

I used to deal with the likes of Wildside Cycles in Tunbridge Wells and they used to swap components for me.

Mikes Bikes in San Rafael Cali, the same story.

Leisure Lakes ditto.

Would the likes of Evans swap out components?

Ian-27xza

221 posts

99 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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I think that the 'customisation' cost for the end user needs to be factored in to any purchase.

Some manufacturers seem to be more flexible than others. I've just bought an Orbea and the standard, non-cost customisations included:

Crank length
Stem length
Custom paint / Graphics
Handlebar width
Cassette ratios
Chainset ratios

Then there are 'costed' options, for these you pay the upgrade cost, not the full retail costs, so just the difference in price between components:

Wheels
Handlebars
Stem

At the end of that process, it's possible to get a really well tuned in bike, right from the outset. With regards to saddles, these are such a subjective subject that shops may as well sell bikes without them, much as they do with pedals!







outnumbered

4,323 posts

240 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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Our excellent local independent shop will swap saddles/stems without charge.

These are the type of places that need supporting ahead of the bike shop equivalent of the out of town glass palace BMW showroom.

gl20

1,137 posts

155 months

Monday 20th July 2020
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Ian-27xza said:
I think that the 'customisation' cost for the end user needs to be factored in to any purchase.

Some manufacturers seem to be more flexible than others. I've just bought an Orbea and the standard, non-cost customisations included:

Crank length
Stem length
Custom paint / Graphics
Handlebar width
Cassette ratios
Chainset ratios

Then there are 'costed' options, for these you pay the upgrade cost, not the full retail costs, so just the difference in price between components:

Wheels
Handlebars
Stem

At the end of that process, it's possible to get a really well tuned in bike, right from the outset. With regards to saddles, these are such a subjective subject that shops may as well sell bikes without them, much as they do with pedals!
It's for this reason I was thinking of making my next (only my second) road bike an Orbea. I like the idea of being able to go for nicer wheels, for example, and only needing to pay the price difference (being able to choose the paint scheme is nice).

Can I ask which model you got and if you're happy with it? I was looking at an Orca Aero. LBS is an Orbea stockist.

Crippo

1,236 posts

226 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2020
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The trouble with swapping bits over is that it’s a bad business decision and shops are far more professionally run these days. They are now aware that the old fashioned concept of just doing anything the customer wanted led to a build up of crap around the shop which never got sold and ended up in the bin. The shop looked like a junk shop, nobody could find anything, the shop,owner didn’t know how much dead stock he was carrying and hence had no concept of whether he was making money.The new bikes sold were then effected by a poorer margin than could have been attained and the extra time and labour involved was also never accounted for.