Shall I buy the F12?
Discussion
Counterpoint: if you're unemployed and in a position where you can actually afford* to spend a whole bunch on a bike..
1) Well done.
2) No better time as you'll presumably have time to ride it!
When I say afford, I mean that you can buy it and continue without problem, not that you buy it then starve/live off beans..
1) Well done.
2) No better time as you'll presumably have time to ride it!
When I say afford, I mean that you can buy it and continue without problem, not that you buy it then starve/live off beans..
upsidedownmark said:
Counterpoint: if you're unemployed and in a position where you can actually afford* to spend a whole bunch on a bike..
1) Well done.
2) No better time as you'll presumably have time to ride it!
When I say afford, I mean that you can buy it and continue without problem, not that you buy it then starve/live off beans..
Yep.1) Well done.
2) No better time as you'll presumably have time to ride it!
When I say afford, I mean that you can buy it and continue without problem, not that you buy it then starve/live off beans..
Is the cost of the bike a significant figure to you? If so, don't buy it.
Is the cost of the bike an insignificance? Buy it.
An F12 is a whole lot of bike. Unless you really want to spend that sort of money on a bike, I would buy a Prince, and get fit on that. The Princes are a whole lot less money, because they don’t use the level of materials ( T700 mats rather than T1100, for example ) or kit, but do have similar designs to the Dogma. Use the Money you save, to take it somewhere interesting ( once we’re allowed ).
It all boils down to the points made above, no bike is worth causing yourself financial harm for. But if it's cost in insignificant for you, then buy it...and use the time-pre job to do it justice 
That said, the F12 is amazing. I run an F10 and could feel the difference, (although not as much of a difference as F8 to F10).
....but even at 20,000km per year, I wouldn't do the difference between the 10 and 12 justice. And deals on F10s are great at present!
Another consideration, the F12 is VERY stiff. I know a couple of the INEOS riders. The lighter ones love the F12, the heavier ones find it too stiff for longer stints and prefer the F10.
That said, the F12 is amazing. I run an F10 and could feel the difference, (although not as much of a difference as F8 to F10).
....but even at 20,000km per year, I wouldn't do the difference between the 10 and 12 justice. And deals on F10s are great at present!
Another consideration, the F12 is VERY stiff. I know a couple of the INEOS riders. The lighter ones love the F12, the heavier ones find it too stiff for longer stints and prefer the F10.
JPJPJP said:
If bike choice was dictated by fitness, I’d be on a Raleigh grifter
Only you know your own circumstances well enough to answer the question
But male logic always dictates you buy the bike that represents the performance you crave. I did that when I bought my first Pinarello 8 years ago Only you know your own circumstances well enough to answer the question
As others have said.
1) You'll get fitter by riding more.
2) If you're between roles then riding is good to give yourself a break (I've been there).
3) If the bike is being bought with redundancy money, don't do it unless the money isn't a problem. It can take longer to find the right role than planned (I've been there).
4) Expensive bike also has expensive components. Have a look at the cost of equivalent Dura-Ace and Ultegra cassettes etc. I've been through a fair few parts on my current bike, so worth considering.
Enjoy riding, buying a bike and finding a role.
1) You'll get fitter by riding more.
2) If you're between roles then riding is good to give yourself a break (I've been there).
3) If the bike is being bought with redundancy money, don't do it unless the money isn't a problem. It can take longer to find the right role than planned (I've been there).
4) Expensive bike also has expensive components. Have a look at the cost of equivalent Dura-Ace and Ultegra cassettes etc. I've been through a fair few parts on my current bike, so worth considering.
Enjoy riding, buying a bike and finding a role.
anonymous said:
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Am I missing something, you haven't got a job at the moment but want to buy a unnecessary superbike?? Surely you know the answer to that question .Am still feeling guilty about buying my Boardman eBike in Feb even though I'm using it nearly everyday to commute to work on.
BrundanBianchi said:
Also bear in mind that with a top specced F12 that’s supplied as a built bike you’ll almost certainly be looking at 12 speed. That means you are going to have to use top spec parts, as the lower specced versions of components such as chains / cassettes / chain rings won’t work. You can’t use Ultegra instead of DA or Force instead of Red, or Record instead of super record for example.
Only if you buy it with SRAM or Campag. Which you wouldn't.
JPJPJP said:
Is £8k for that without wheels a good deal? It looks like a decidedly average deal to me really.
That shouldn't put you off buying it if you want it though. What wheels would you put on it instead of the glorious lightweights?
For Di2 on an F12 it isn't bad, but it isn't amazing IMO. Frameset alone is £5,500-6,000. Full Di2 can be had for under £2k. Fully built rim bikes start around £10k, disc about £500 more.That shouldn't put you off buying it if you want it though. What wheels would you put on it instead of the glorious lightweights?
Early F12 Demos are coming through at about £8-8500.
Supply can be the issue, I know of people being quoted October at present.
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