Can’t get crank arm off and now breaking it!

Can’t get crank arm off and now breaking it!

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Gazzab

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21,202 posts

288 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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I have a t130 whyte mtb. Am losing the will to live trying to fix it. The race face chain ring, chain and rear cassette need replacing as worn out. Parts bought. The old parts were fitted by a bike shop only a few months ago and maybe 300 or 400 miles. Anyway the crank arm comes off with an 8mm allen. Well it should do according to the various YouTube videos. I couldn’t shift it. So used a metal bar to get more leverage but that has simply spun the Allen key and means it’s rounded off the crank arm centre.
Now not sure what to do. I have limited tools where I am currently living. Don’t really want my bike out of use (my other bikes are dotted around the country!). I assume it’s take an angle grinder to the pedal set or drill out the centre of the crank arm....

frisbee

5,115 posts

116 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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I had a road crank with an inbuilt extractor that was stuck. The bolt didn't round off, instead the extractor cap split.

I found a moped flywheel puller that fitted. That ripped the threads out of the crank.

So ended up using the angle grinder.

aka_kerrly

12,488 posts

216 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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Have you undone both sides of the crank arms or are the tiny Allen bolts on the left hand side.
I've seen cranks before where the left side comes off first and the shaft is pressed into the other side and stays attached when it's extracted.

Gazzab

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288 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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aka_kerrly said:
Have you undone both sides of the crank arms or are the tiny Allen bolts on the left hand side.
I've seen cranks before where the left side comes off first and the shaft is pressed into the other side and stays attached when it's extracted.
I only tried the chain ring side - as per all the online videos. Had a look at the other side and it’s not the same and didn’t pay it any attention.

MrBarry123

6,038 posts

127 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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Can you cut the two bolts which secure the cranks?

That’s what I needed to do to release a seized crankset.

ETA: I think this would only work with a Shimano crankset.

Gazzab

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Saturday 16th May 2020
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MrBarry123 said:
Can you cut the two bolts which secure the cranks?

That’s what I needed to do to release a seized crankset.

ETA: I think this would only work with a Shimano crankset.
It’s recessed quite far inside the crank arm

MrBarry123

6,038 posts

127 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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Does it have a slot that would allow the insertion of a small hacksaw?

Gazzab

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Saturday 16th May 2020
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MrBarry123 said:
Does it have a slot that would allow the insertion of a small hacksaw?
Thanks
A hacksaw blade would go into the recessed Allen key ‘hole’ but I won’t be sure that when I reach whatever it sits inside. Assume it’s the crank arm, then the axle before the frame. But I have only ever changed these sort of parts once before and they were XT.

Simes205

4,618 posts

234 months

Saturday 16th May 2020
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T130s?
I have one.
Allen bolt on the crank side.
Can be a pain (Understatement)
I Used a socket Allen on a breaker bar and was jumping on it until it came lose, whilst my foot was on the pedal. It it’s slipping bang in a larger torx socket or similarly sized Allen and try again. I bit of rubber band around your Allen key and try again, the friction should stop it spinning.
Once it’s out knock the crank through.

When you refit copper grease it and don’t do it up as tight as who built it!


Edited by Simes205 on Saturday 16th May 23:39

Gazzab

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Saturday 16th May 2020
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Simes205 said:
T130s?
I have one.
Allen bolt on the crank side.
Can be a pain (Understatement)
I Used a socket Allen on a breaker bar and was jumping on it until it came lose, whilst my foot was on the pedal. It it’s slipping bang in a larger torx socket or similarly sized Allen and try again. I bit of rubber band around your Allen key and try again, the friction should stop it spinning.
Once it’s out knock the crank through.

When you refit copper grease it and don’t do it up as tight as who built it!


Edited by Simes205 on Saturday 16th May 23:39
Thanks t130 Rs. Had the bike for 3 years since new. Strangely the last set of parts only lasted a few months and a few hundred miles. Slightly annoyed that he seems to have done it up far too tight.

Simes205

4,618 posts

234 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I had to strip mine down due to dropper issues, removed the crank and then had to remove the BB. I ruined a park tool bb tool getting it out because someone had over tightened it, consequently grappled at it with all my tools! I had to take it back to the LBS, the folk who tightened it up, they spent 2 hours undoing it!!

I do all the work to my bike myself, far safer!

Gazzab

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Sunday 17th May 2020
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Thanks. Am hoping I can bang in a larger torx and use my long ratchet. But my tools are in Norfolk and I am in Yorkshire. So may have to find a bike shop. I don’t want to do more damage.

Sa Calobra

38,038 posts

217 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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What BB and chainset is it?

Gazzab

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Sunday 17th May 2020
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Sa Calobra said:
What BB and chainset is it?
Race face turbine cinch. 32t chain ring.
11 speed 30mm boost axle
BB is a race face bsa 73mm

gazza285

10,098 posts

214 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Gazzab said:
Thanks. Am hoping I can bang in a larger torx and use my long ratchet. But my tools are in Norfolk and I am in Yorkshire. So may have to find a bike shop. I don’t want to do more damage.
Whereabouts in Yorkshire, it is a big place.

Gazzab

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Sunday 17th May 2020
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gazza285 said:
Whereabouts in Yorkshire, it is a big place.
Near Holmfirth.

gazza285

10,098 posts

214 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I have tools on Longwood, or Andy at TryCycling in Kirkburton has a good reputation.

Sa Calobra

38,038 posts

217 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Gazzab said:
Near Holmfirth.
Bloody ell. I was in Hudds yesterday. If still struggling tomorrow I can riding locally, drop my tools off.

Chester draws

1,412 posts

116 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Sure it's not a left-hand thread? smile

JEA1K

2,544 posts

229 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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frisbee said:
I had a road crank with an inbuilt extractor that was stuck. The bolt didn't round off, instead the extractor cap split.

I found a moped flywheel puller that fitted. That ripped the threads out of the crank.

So ended up using the angle grinder.
Had this on my Quarq non drive side about 3 weeks ago, what a ball ache.Ended up removing it after many hours of skin loss, swearing, brute force and finally a dremel to cut away as much as poss until the extractor crumbled. I must have removed about 95% of it before it gave in ... god knows what its made from but its a tough bugger. Being a rough arse with it meant I'd caused minor damage to the arm threads but once started to thread the new extractor in, it was fine and didn't require much force.