Yet more tubeless issues.

[GOATever]

I’m getting thoroughly totally and utterly pissed off with tubeless road tyres. As I type, I’m (yet again) sat with a crocked bike, thanks to the absolute uselessness of the side walls on the tubeless road tyres I’m using. Yet again a side wall nick has defeated the sealant, and rendered the tyre useless ( as tubeless ). I brought an inner tube with me this time ( just in case ) but that had a puncture in it. Why they can’t make the side walls resilient enough to withstand a hit from a ( not very big ) stone, is beyond me. I even tried patching the slice with a tyre boot, but the sealant just went round it like it wasn’t there. That is monumentally irritating. Oh well another ( expensive) lesson learned. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt, and persevering with them because they do work well, when they’re functioning. Unfortunately, they still don’t have it nailed yet, so until such times as they do ( I won’t hold my breath ) I’m reverting to tubes, on my road bikes.

[anonymous-user]

Get yourself some nice light tubes

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/260692-worlds-li...

Just £60 for a pair

[GOATever]

JPJPJP said:

Get yourself some nice light tubes

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/260692-worlds-li...

Just £60 for a pair

That’s a good shout.

[Kawasicki]

If it is a faff for you then forget it.

I would. I mean it’s nice and all, but it is meant to be a convenient solution. If it isn’t, go for a nice clincher, with a latex tube.

[gazza285]

Stick a puncture patch on the inside of the tyre.

[anonymous-user]

I have up because of this. I don't think it's well suited for road tyres particularly for heavier riders.

High pressure low volume as opposed to low pressure high volume of MTB tyres.also.means if they do puncture they're empty before they seal.

Went back to inner tubes and much happier.

You have to carry a tube anyway so why bother with tubeless, life's too short

[BeirutTaxi]

Still no issues with the Giant tubeless wheel and tyre combo. Recommended #thumbsup

[Kawasicki]

BeirutTaxi said:

Still no issues with the Giant tubeless wheel and tyre combo. Recommended #thumbsup

Yep, mine have been great too...except for the relatively high rolling resistance and weight.

[GOATever]

Kawasicki said:

If it is a faff for you then forget it.

I would. I mean it’s nice and all, but it is meant to be a convenient solution. If it isn’t, go for a nice clincher, with a latex tube.

Not a faff, a ridiculously ( relatively) expensive way to get a tyre and wheel to not work. I wouldn’t have thought it was beyond the wit of man to make a tubeless tyre that costs as much as a budget car tyre to actually withstand a small hit from a stone on the sidewall, yet again, it seems not.

[GOATever]

keirik said:

I have up because of this. I don't think it's well suited for road tyres particularly for heavier riders.

High pressure low volume as opposed to low pressure high volume of MTB tyres.also.means if they do puncture they're empty before they seal.

Went back to inner tubes and much happier.

You have to carry a tube anyway so why bother with tubeless, life's too short

Quite right, I’m very much not a heavy rider ( about 5 foot 11 and 75 Kgs) and I’ve not had issues with MTB tubeless tyres ( for the reasons you mentioned ). I’m reverting to light tubes and clinchers on my road bikes. It was an experiment, and they’ve proved they aren’t up to the job. Life is too short.

[GOATever]

gazza285 said:

Stick a puncture patch on the inside of the tyre.

That’s the first thing I tried, it didn’t work.

[Parsnip]

Count me in for the "Road tubeless can FRO"

Was willing to give it a bash because I am curious and also too tight to chuck brand new tyres out.

Fast forward to Wednesday night - got a sidewall puncture on my Giant Gavia's (which are really not that good in either grip, weight or Crr) which I must have picked up on the way to work - getting ready for the group ride, noticed my rear tyre was a bit low and though "hey, this tubeless is great, it must have sealed a puncture" put a pump on and then just blew the sidewall out. Tried to put a tube in (getting sealant everywhere in the process) and found that the tube I had was too short for my wheels and I didn't have a valve extender (this one is on me...)

Lift home, straight onto PBK and a pair of GP5000s and Latex tubes on the way.

I don't see what tubeless saves on the road - anything that will puncture a tyre and tube will probably damage a tubeless tyre beyond sealing - even if not, all of the air will be gone by the time it seals. Chucking a tube in is a nightmare due to the sealant and stupidly tight tyre.

[Kawasicki]

GOATever said:

Kawasicki said:

If it is a faff for you then forget it.

I would. I mean it’s nice and all, but it is meant to be a convenient solution. If it isn’t, go for a nice clincher, with a latex tube.

Not a faff, a ridiculously ( relatively) expensive way to get a tyre and wheel to not work. I wouldn’t have thought it was beyond the wit of man to make a tubeless tyre that costs as much as a budget car tyre to actually withstand a small hit from a stone on the sidewall, yet again, it seems not.

See, tubeless isn't magic. On cars it isn't magic either. Tyres are available that are very robust, they are just not very nice to ride, because physics.

[GOATever]

Kawasicki said:

See, tubeless isn't magic. On cars it isn't magic either. Tyres are available that are very robust, they are just not very nice to ride, because physics.

Very true.

[jesusbuiltmycar]

Tried tubeless on my gravel bike - wasted a fortune before giving up - I couldn’t find a sealant that worked even at 50PSI - I cannot imagine tubeless being any fun on the road....


If the pros have had tubeless disasters
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kristoff-regrets-b...

[HoHoHo]

It’s obviously different for everyone, I run Mavic tubeless on my road bike and tubeless on my Stumpy and have no issues whatsoever over many, many miles.

I check the content every three months to ensure everything is ok.

I have had one cut two years ago on the side wall of my mountain bike which is just st but on balance it’s working for me.

[Treb0r]

I've had a good experience over the last couple of years - have used 32mm gravelkings in file tread and SK, and currently using 25mm IRC Roadlites. They've all been great over thousands of miles - great rolling resistance, nice feel, lower pressures and hold air for a week or two before topping up. Not all tubeless tyres are as good as each other and I think that's where people run into problems. It's worth researching what others have used successfully. It's normally a good sign if it's hard to get the tyre on the rim and it will inflate with just a track pump - tighter beads lock into the rim hooks better and should stay seated even when deflated.

The only time a puncture didn't self seal without me noticing was due to a big shard of glass. I used a repair worm (genuine innovations kit) and pumped the tyre back up.

Check out Malcolm Borg's blog and videos on the Cycle Clinic for advice about how to live with tubeless.

[jontymo]

IRC Roadlites as previously mentioned are very good and way better than Giants own, I have ridden 2-3k on them without a problem, currently have the gp5000 USTs on my Ksyriums which are proving as good if not better and on a par price wise, the Mavics that came with the wheels punctured numerous times.
Better tyres give better results, have a look on bikeradar forum on tubeless tyres.

[GOATever]

jontymo said:

IRC Roadlites as previously mentioned are very good and way better than Giants own, I have ridden 2-3k on them without a problem, currently have the gp5000 USTs on my Ksyriums which are proving as good if not better and on a par price wise, the Mavics that came with the wheels punctured numerous times.
Better tyres give better results, have a look on bikeradar forum on tubeless tyres.

I’ve got Ksyriums with the tyres that came with them. I’ve also got a pair of GP5000 tubeless waiting in the wings. No matter what I tried, I couldn’t get the Mavic tyres off the rims, I got one side off, but not the other side, that was enough to be able to get a tube in, so that was good enough. Funnily enough, I just got another ‘gusher’ on the rear tyre, about 10 minutes ago. I’ve got Stan’s race sealant in there, and the hit was on the tread this time, not the side wall. Miracle of miracles, it actually worked.



That was quite a cut, and it did seal this time. I’ll get the tyres in a vice and get them off, then try the GP5000 TLs I’ve got waiting.

[anonymous-user]

Better on MTB and CX as you run lower pressures. Can be a right ball ache on a road bike. Good for a race or TT tyre due to the lower rolling resistance but general riding and training, clinchers all the way.