EPO - the effects on a fat bloke?

[AndStilliRise]

As anyone had direct/indirect experience of this and what would be the effect on a MAMIL, would they become GC contender's overnight or would it be pointless.

FYI - I am just curious!

[Pothole]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/29/lanc...

[The_Jackal]

No, watch the Netflix film Icarus.
A really good watch and all real.
The guy in it is a good amateur and came 12th (I think) in the Haute Route. After completing a course he improved his ftp by 100W and still found he couldn't break into the top ten. His conclusion was genetics make you a World Tour rider not drugs.

[anonymous-user]

Marginal gains

If the margin between you now and winning is small, that could be significant

An epo doper is unlikely to have used just epo

[mcelliott]

AndStilliRise said:

As anyone had direct/indirect experience of this and what would be the effect on a MAMIL, would they become GC contender's overnight or would it be pointless.

FYI - I am just curious!

Defo it would have an effect on you - I could easily see a 10 top ten place for you in your wobbly wheelers handicapped RR. I say go for it bro.

[nammynake]

AndStilliRise said:

As anyone had direct/indirect experience of this and what would be the effect on a MAMIL, would they become GC contender's overnight or would it be pointless.

FYI - I am just curious!

"Asking for a friend".

[popeyewhite]

AndStilliRise said:

As anyone had direct/indirect experience of this and what would be the effect on a MAMIL, would they become GC contender's overnight or would it be pointless.

FYI - I am just curious!

You'd briefly experience the feeling you had more muscle energy. It wouldn't last long.

[murray]

This is an interesting article:-

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Also recall reading an article a few years ago about an American amateur who did similar to find out what would happen. He made some impressive gains.

[Usget]

murray said:

This is an interesting article:-

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Also recall reading an article a few years ago about an American amateur who did similar to find out what would happen. He made some impressive gains.

Also recall this article but I can't find it now. He tried all sorts of stuff including testosterone, EPO and HGH, finding some of it extremely enjoyable.

[popeyewhite]

murray said:

This is an interesting article:-

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

Also recall reading an article a few years ago about an American amateur who did similar to find out what would happen. He made some impressive gains.

All very well but the guy in the article is a competitive triathlete, the OP asks for the effects on a "fat bloke". It's like comparing the effects of high octane super unleaded on a 1980s Morris Minor and a current supercar.

[frisbee]

popeyewhite said:

All very well but the guy in the article is a competitive triathlete, the OP asks for the effects on a "fat bloke". It's like comparing the effects of high octane super unleaded on a 1980s Morris Minor and a current supercar.

Beetroot juice apparently has a much greater effect on untrained people. Wouldn't surprise me if other performance enhancers behave in a similar way. After all, if these substances had minimal effect on average people, then they wouldn't use them as drugs to treat illness.

[popeyewhite]

frisbee said:

After all, if these substances had minimal effect on average people, then they wouldn't use them as drugs to treat illness.

Lost me there!

[okgo]

popeyewhite said:

Lost me there!

The point being, if this drug did nothing they would not be giving it out to non sporting people to cure significant ailments?

[popeyewhite]

okgo said:

The point being, if this drug did nothing they would not be giving it out to non sporting people to cure significant ailments?

Ah. Firstly the administration of EPO is quite different in the two situations (generally medically it's given as part of the blood, sporting application it's given surplus to blood), secondly greater lean mass and lung capacity means a greater response to blood doping.

[AndStilliRise]

frisbee said:

popeyewhite said:

All very well but the guy in the article is a competitive triathlete, the OP asks for the effects on a "fat bloke". It's like comparing the effects of high octane super unleaded on a 1980s Morris Minor and a current supercar.

Beetroot juice apparently has a much greater effect on untrained people. Wouldn't surprise me if other performance enhancers behave in a similar way. After all, if these substances had minimal effect on average people, then they wouldn't use them as drugs to treat illness.

Can't stand the stuff.

[andyeds1234]

There isn't a fixed answer to this, as there are variations in any individuals response to doping. A genetically gifted athlete could be a poor responder to EPO, while a signicantly less gifted individual could be a super responder.

The best doping for a fat bloke, however, is likely to be a salad

Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 3rd September 19:07

[popeyewhite]

andyeds1234 said:

A genetically gifted athlete could be a poor responder to EPO, while a signicantly less gifted individual could be a super responder.

AFAIA physiologically the response to extra red blood cells would be the same in both - increased performance. There can be complications if the user suffers from renal inflammation. The end result would only vary because of lean mass and lung capacity, not because of variability of response.

[andyeds1234]

popeyewhite said:

andyeds1234 said:

A genetically gifted athlete could be a poor responder to EPO, while a signicantly less gifted individual could be a super responder.

AFAIA physiologically the response to extra red blood cells would be the same in both - increased performance. There can be complications if the user suffers from renal inflammation. The end result would only vary because of lean mass and lung capacity, not because of variability of response.

Of course there is variability of response. The level of performance enhancement is simply not linear across all individuals.

[popeyewhite]

andyeds1234 said:

Of course there is variability of response. The level of performance enhancement is simply not linear across all individuals.

Think you've misunderstood what I wrote Andy. Do you know how EPO works?

[AndStilliRise]

popeyewhite said:

andyeds1234 said:

A genetically gifted athlete could be a poor responder to EPO, while a signicantly less gifted individual could be a super responder.

AFAIA physiologically the response to extra red blood cells would be the same in both - increased performance. There can be complications if the user suffers from renal inflammation. The end result would only vary because of lean mass and lung capacity, not because of variability of response.

Renal what?!? FT