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I saw that video earlier on another website. AFAIK it's unprecedented, which suggests that something has happened recently or at an earlier meeting which His Grace felt warranted this address.
I noted from the list of entrants that it's the same old same old. Same entrants, same cars, every year, although I fully appreciate that there is a finite number of suitable cars. Maybe the organisers feel it's time to weed out some of the ludicrously-developed cars belonging to the we-must-win brigade.
I can think of at least one car which bears only the slightest resemblance to that which left Browns Lane.
I noted from the list of entrants that it's the same old same old. Same entrants, same cars, every year, although I fully appreciate that there is a finite number of suitable cars. Maybe the organisers feel it's time to weed out some of the ludicrously-developed cars belonging to the we-must-win brigade.
I can think of at least one car which bears only the slightest resemblance to that which left Browns Lane.
Martin315 said:
nicanary said:
I can think of at least one car which bears only the slightest resemblance to that which left Browns Lane.
Is that the one owned by a certain gentleman currently on gardening leave?When I first saw the car, I immediately thought, "that's not right" - I'm pretty sure it's gone down the NASCAR route of 90% sizing.
Without naming and shaming, what did the Ferrari owners club get up to, and any examples of what is being referred to?
I recall that in the commentary for the last revival the commentators said something along the lines of “these lotus cortina’s are specced very differently to how they were originally”.
I recall that in the commentary for the last revival the commentators said something along the lines of “these lotus cortina’s are specced very differently to how they were originally”.
The FOC had scheduled a few parade laps and the organisers had already requested that members do not slow down and accelerate hard on the lap.
At the very beginning as the cars were lining up one utter moron did exactly that and nearly ran into the back of a Monza SP2 had he not swerved around it. Sheer stupidity. There were a few more instances of the same thing on the first lap. The second group were restricted to one lap and the others cancelled. Goodwood then banned FOC from parade laps in the future.
Whilst I’m not sure that has any bearing on the current situation I’m willing to bet it focused people’s minds.
At the very beginning as the cars were lining up one utter moron did exactly that and nearly ran into the back of a Monza SP2 had he not swerved around it. Sheer stupidity. There were a few more instances of the same thing on the first lap. The second group were restricted to one lap and the others cancelled. Goodwood then banned FOC from parade laps in the future.
Whilst I’m not sure that has any bearing on the current situation I’m willing to bet it focused people’s minds.
Martin315 said:
nicanary said:
I can think of at least one car which bears only the slightest resemblance to that which left Browns Lane.
Is that the one owned by a certain gentleman currently on gardening leave?Boleros said:
The FOC had scheduled a few parade laps and the organisers had already requested that members do not slow down and accelerate hard on the lap.
At the very beginning as the cars were lining up one utter moron did exactly that and nearly ran into the back of a Monza SP2 had he not swerved around it. Sheer stupidity. There were a few more instances of the same thing on the first lap. The second group were restricted to one lap and the others cancelled. Goodwood then banned FOC from parade laps in the future.
Whilst I’m not sure that has any bearing on the current situation I’m willing to bet it focused people’s minds.
Im not sure trackdays have much effect on Revival, lots of dodgy driving happens on trackdays I'm sure... At the very beginning as the cars were lining up one utter moron did exactly that and nearly ran into the back of a Monza SP2 had he not swerved around it. Sheer stupidity. There were a few more instances of the same thing on the first lap. The second group were restricted to one lap and the others cancelled. Goodwood then banned FOC from parade laps in the future.
Whilst I’m not sure that has any bearing on the current situation I’m willing to bet it focused people’s minds.
I guess certain builders and prep companies aren't building the cars quite to original spec
I don't think i've ever seen much of scrutineering at revival ? is this done on a Thursday ? who does it ?
Arkose said:
Boleros said:
The FOC had scheduled a few parade laps and the organisers had already requested that members do not slow down and accelerate hard on the lap.
At the very beginning as the cars were lining up one utter moron did exactly that and nearly ran into the back of a Monza SP2 had he not swerved around it. Sheer stupidity. There were a few more instances of the same thing on the first lap. The second group were restricted to one lap and the others cancelled. Goodwood then banned FOC from parade laps in the future.
Whilst I’m not sure that has any bearing on the current situation I’m willing to bet it focused people’s minds.
Im not sure trackdays have much effect on Revival, lots of dodgy driving happens on trackdays I'm sure... At the very beginning as the cars were lining up one utter moron did exactly that and nearly ran into the back of a Monza SP2 had he not swerved around it. Sheer stupidity. There were a few more instances of the same thing on the first lap. The second group were restricted to one lap and the others cancelled. Goodwood then banned FOC from parade laps in the future.
Whilst I’m not sure that has any bearing on the current situation I’m willing to bet it focused people’s minds.
I guess certain builders and prep companies aren't building the cars quite to original spec
I don't think i've ever seen much of scrutineering at revival ? is this done on a Thursday ? who does it ?
Arkose said:
I don't think i've ever seen much of scrutineering at revival ? is this done on a Thursday ? who does it ?
Safety Scrutineering will be done as per any normal race day.Eligibility Scrutineering is another matter. Only will be chance for basic checks mostly unless a protest is raised.
Not at Goodwood, however I have seen plenty of heads off etc post race.
PaulV said:
Arkose said:
I don't think i've ever seen much of scrutineering at revival ? is this done on a Thursday ? who does it ?
Safety Scrutineering will be done as per any normal race day.Eligibility Scrutineering is another matter. Only will be chance for basic checks mostly unless a protest is raised.
Not at Goodwood, however I have seen plenty of heads off etc post race.
Definitely long overdue.
Can you imagine any of the Mini's or Lotus Cortina's driving to and from the event as they occasionally did back then? Obviously something like roll-over protection is a necessary modern concession, but most of the cars are practically sat on the floor and handle completely flat. Any photo of Jim Clark, or anyone else for that matter, racing a Cortina proves that they absolutely were not set up like that in period.
As someone who is very enthusiastic about historic racing, the ever increasing 'Disney' feel of Goodwood is why I'm no longer overly fussed about going. It certainly is a great spectacle, but for bigger ticket money he has to attract those with no interest in historic racing... who likely now make up the majority of attendees. Last I went was enjoyable, but basically hot-rod racing. Mini's probably matching (or beating) a brand new Golf GTI around the track.
As much as I'm glad that the Earl of March has said this, it is not solely the fault of competitors and owners. When an event gains such prestige, it is down to the organiser to ensure it is fair, not the moral duty of competitors/owners. Just as athletes are tested for doping. I imagine Ascot, Cheltenham etc. are pretty thorough with this kind of stuff too.
IMO Goodwood has very willingly turned a blind eye for a long time. Good if they start a new chapter, but lecturing on the essence of the racing and fairness isn't coming from the highest of horses.
Rant over.
Can you imagine any of the Mini's or Lotus Cortina's driving to and from the event as they occasionally did back then? Obviously something like roll-over protection is a necessary modern concession, but most of the cars are practically sat on the floor and handle completely flat. Any photo of Jim Clark, or anyone else for that matter, racing a Cortina proves that they absolutely were not set up like that in period.
As someone who is very enthusiastic about historic racing, the ever increasing 'Disney' feel of Goodwood is why I'm no longer overly fussed about going. It certainly is a great spectacle, but for bigger ticket money he has to attract those with no interest in historic racing... who likely now make up the majority of attendees. Last I went was enjoyable, but basically hot-rod racing. Mini's probably matching (or beating) a brand new Golf GTI around the track.
As much as I'm glad that the Earl of March has said this, it is not solely the fault of competitors and owners. When an event gains such prestige, it is down to the organiser to ensure it is fair, not the moral duty of competitors/owners. Just as athletes are tested for doping. I imagine Ascot, Cheltenham etc. are pretty thorough with this kind of stuff too.
IMO Goodwood has very willingly turned a blind eye for a long time. Good if they start a new chapter, but lecturing on the essence of the racing and fairness isn't coming from the highest of horses.
Rant over.
Excellent.
I want to see beautiful classic cars being driven hard.
Revival is amazing in this regard.
I am 100% okay with blue print accurate replicas.
They look sound & go the same.
The idea that you are looking at a caricature of a car which has been engineered to ‘buy a win’ rather than pay homage to a former era is not okay.
I want to see beautiful classic cars being driven hard.
Revival is amazing in this regard.
I am 100% okay with blue print accurate replicas.
They look sound & go the same.
The idea that you are looking at a caricature of a car which has been engineered to ‘buy a win’ rather than pay homage to a former era is not okay.
Edited by Stick Legs on Thursday 5th September 02:46
Well overdue, and intrigued to know what's triggered this.
Full stern headmaster voice!
It's not like we haven't had years of seeing cars (either individual or a specific model) punching well above any 'period correct weight'. It's not like there isn't plenty of sotto voce discussions amongst entrants and prep firms about trick kit or 'blueprint' cars using blueprints the factory never drew.
The most laughable example being when he was on the documentary about the continuation Lightweight E Types, saying how such a car would never be permitted at revival, when the same year there were three cars all running the same identity!
I fear it's too little, too late.
Full stern headmaster voice!
It's not like we haven't had years of seeing cars (either individual or a specific model) punching well above any 'period correct weight'. It's not like there isn't plenty of sotto voce discussions amongst entrants and prep firms about trick kit or 'blueprint' cars using blueprints the factory never drew.
The most laughable example being when he was on the documentary about the continuation Lightweight E Types, saying how such a car would never be permitted at revival, when the same year there were three cars all running the same identity!
I fear it's too little, too late.
Erast Fandorin said:
I can well remember a year when a blue GT40 driven by a well know gentleman driver had the legs of the T70s in their race. I believe there were rumours of Ti valve trains, and I can't recall seeing the gentleman appear in subsequent years.
Possibly this incident in 2007 Goodwood Revival cheats? I do remember more recently several competitors having their placings removed for running roller rockers. Clearly the duke is very upset about whatever has come to light now. Not only the cheating but the allegation of intimidation of other competitors to keep quiet. More to come I think.
Interesting, but how do you stop all developments? The XK engine has been developed so far from the 60's. How can you peg it to original power?
The Ferrai V12 is I believe being remade. It now revs higher and produces far more power than the original engine.
I hear of cars running lsd but didn't in original form.
A certain e type running adjustable non period suspension.
Not sure how it can all be policed.
The Ferrai V12 is I believe being remade. It now revs higher and produces far more power than the original engine.
I hear of cars running lsd but didn't in original form.
A certain e type running adjustable non period suspension.
Not sure how it can all be policed.
I think the DoR set the right tone.
Don't take the p**s. Don't create some sort of Omerta about people being blatant. Don't ruin it for everyone.
Do come & race and have a good time.
You can't police it completely but by drawing this line should encourage people to stop the more blatant technical infringements.
(edited to add, I wonder how much midnight oil was being burned in some workshops to swap the heads back to something tamer than they intended to race??)
Don't take the p**s. Don't create some sort of Omerta about people being blatant. Don't ruin it for everyone.
Do come & race and have a good time.
You can't police it completely but by drawing this line should encourage people to stop the more blatant technical infringements.
(edited to add, I wonder how much midnight oil was being burned in some workshops to swap the heads back to something tamer than they intended to race??)
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