disappointed by the 917 "fast demo" during 77 member's meeti
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Does anyone feel disappointed by the 917 "fast demo" during 77 member's meeting?
I was at the end of the pit straight and saw the passing at what I would call a really, really low speed for such fast cars and find it really, really disappointing.
I did my 2nd ever track day at Goodwood (in my TVR Chimaera 500) and I am pretty sure I would have lapped the track quicker than they did on Saturday in their 917s…
Are they not supposed to be extremely fast cars, driven on a racing track by professional racing driver?
Is there something I am not getting here?
What was preventing them to going any faster, except the value of the cars?
Poor show, really poor.
I was at the end of the pit straight and saw the passing at what I would call a really, really low speed for such fast cars and find it really, really disappointing.
I did my 2nd ever track day at Goodwood (in my TVR Chimaera 500) and I am pretty sure I would have lapped the track quicker than they did on Saturday in their 917s…
Are they not supposed to be extremely fast cars, driven on a racing track by professional racing driver?
Is there something I am not getting here?
What was preventing them to going any faster, except the value of the cars?
Poor show, really poor.
The cars on show , are all porsche museum prized cars .. so thank yourself lucky to even see them on track ! ... if anything was a disappointment , it was the ‘big gathering ‘ of m1 pro cars ... only 5 in the end and the so called ‘train ‘ of nascars thundering around Goodwood ...
not to mention the Lola Aston lmp1 stuck in the paddock shelter all weekend ?! ..
was great to see the lmp cars run at night though, speeding down the pit straight !
not to mention the Lola Aston lmp1 stuck in the paddock shelter all weekend ?! ..
was great to see the lmp cars run at night though, speeding down the pit straight !
Have to say I agree with the OP. Was really looking forward to hearing that flat 12 being given even just a little more on the loud pedal. Was left disappointed by what was in essence a slow drive around the track not helped by the course car leading them around I would imagine.
When the 917’s were out with the 512 Ferrari’s and Lola’s 3(?) years ago for a similar demo they went around the track a lot quicker and the sound of these legendary (my favourite ale Mans era) cars was just epic.
When the 917’s were out with the 512 Ferrari’s and Lola’s 3(?) years ago for a similar demo they went around the track a lot quicker and the sound of these legendary (my favourite ale Mans era) cars was just epic.
Edited by AllezWasps on Friday 12th April 18:33
Actually I noticed this year that they had pace cars for the demos for the first time on some years. For the 72MM they had Ferrari F40 pace cars which meant the turbo F1 cars were just pootling about. They ditched them after that and it was much better. Even though the McLarens were very fast indeed I don't think they're necessary. Either they have been reintroduced because of a safety concern or it was part of the deal with McLaren for them to supply lots of cars to show off
34053 said:
Actually I noticed this year that they had pace cars for the demos for the first time on some years. For the 72MM they had Ferrari F40 pace cars which meant the turbo F1 cars were just pootling about. They ditched them after that and it was much better. Even though the McLarens were very fast indeed I don't think they're necessary. Either they have been reintroduced because of a safety concern or it was part of the deal with McLaren for them to supply lots of cars to show off
I suspect it was because the demo cars this year could travel at speeds that the circuit safety setup probably wasn’t sufficient. The mclarens were shifting though so I was quite happy. ecsrobin said:
34053 said:
Actually I noticed this year that they had pace cars for the demos for the first time on some years. For the 72MM they had Ferrari F40 pace cars which meant the turbo F1 cars were just pootling about. They ditched them after that and it was much better. Even though the McLarens were very fast indeed I don't think they're necessary. Either they have been reintroduced because of a safety concern or it was part of the deal with McLaren for them to supply lots of cars to show off
I suspect it was because the demo cars this year could travel at speeds that the circuit safety setup probably wasn’t sufficient. I'd love to see them at full noise but as these are not race prepared cars, but mainly , and literally, museum pieces the speed is never going to be comparable with period cars . And possibly drivers . That said . I was out at Fordwater and the body language of Chris Harris ' car was saying to the 720(or whatever ,every McLaren looks and sounds the same ) - 'FFS speed up'.
My favourite car of the 917 era is the Ferrari 512M/S , and a few years ago one was running at Silverstone Classic and dominating its race . That NOISE ....sweet baby Jesus ....
My favourite car of the 917 era is the Ferrari 512M/S , and a few years ago one was running at Silverstone Classic and dominating its race . That NOISE ....sweet baby Jesus ....
frenchie TVR said:
Does anyone feel disappointed by the 917 "fast demo" during 77 member's meeting?
I was at the end of the pit straight and saw the passing at what I would call a really, really low speed for such fast cars and find it really, really disappointing.
I did my 2nd ever track day at Goodwood (in my TVR Chimaera 500) and I am pretty sure I would have lapped the track quicker than they did on Saturday in their 917s…
Are they not supposed to be extremely fast cars, driven on a racing track by professional racing driver?
Is there something I am not getting here?
What was preventing them to going any faster, except the value of the cars?
Poor show, really poor.
If you want to see a 917 go full chat (or as close as possible given the value), book on to the Le Mans Classic 2020. There was a couple racing last year with Derek Bell behind the wheel of one. To give you an idea, have a look at the grid list here (Porsche 917's in grid 5) - https://www.lemansclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2...I was at the end of the pit straight and saw the passing at what I would call a really, really low speed for such fast cars and find it really, really disappointing.
I did my 2nd ever track day at Goodwood (in my TVR Chimaera 500) and I am pretty sure I would have lapped the track quicker than they did on Saturday in their 917s…
Are they not supposed to be extremely fast cars, driven on a racing track by professional racing driver?
Is there something I am not getting here?
What was preventing them to going any faster, except the value of the cars?
Poor show, really poor.
coppice said:
I'd love to see them at full noise but as these are not race prepared cars, but mainly , and literally, museum pieces the speed is never going to be comparable with period cars . And possibly drivers . That said . I was out at Fordwater and the body language of Chris Harris ' car was saying to the 720(or whatever ,every McLaren looks and sounds the same ) - 'FFS speed up'.
My favourite car of the 917 era is the Ferrari 512M/S , and a few years ago one was running at Silverstone Classic and dominating its race . That NOISE ....sweet baby Jesus ....
The main point of concern here is the engine . With the world of 3D scanning and CNC just about all engine components are re-creatable. My favourite car of the 917 era is the Ferrari 512M/S , and a few years ago one was running at Silverstone Classic and dominating its race . That NOISE ....sweet baby Jesus ....
In fact Porsche should share the Engine blue prints to ensure the longevity of models.
Edited by m4tti on Friday 26th April 23:31
T3LLIOTT said:
If you want to see a 917 go full chat (or as close as possible given the value), book on to the Le Mans Classic 2020. There was a couple racing last year with Derek Bell behind the wheel of one. To give you an idea, have a look at the grid list here (Porsche 917's in grid 5) - https://www.lemansclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2...
Late response to this, butBell didn't drive a 917 last year, he decided against it, and withdrew before then event
Also, None of the 917s at CLM were driven very quickly. The Car Bell was to have driven crashed badly in practice and was never seen again.
The other short tail 69 car driven by Romain Dumas barely did two laps at the back of the field and went back to the pits
Only the Zitro racing car showed any kind of moderate pace, and then only for a lap or so either side of trundling around in the midfield
They al still looked and sounded epic though
freedman said:
Late response to this, but
Bell didn't drive a 917 last year, he decided against it, and withdrew before then event
Also, None of the 917s at CLM were driven very quickly. The Car Bell was to have driven crashed badly in practice and was never seen again.
The other short tail 69 car driven by Romain Dumas barely did two laps at the back of the field and went back to the pits
Only the Zitro racing car showed any kind of moderate pace, and then only for a lap or so either side of trundling around in the midfield
They al still looked and sounded epic though
Well observed. It's a long weekend and looking back, maybe the majority of 917's I saw on track was in practice only. Bell didn't drive a 917 last year, he decided against it, and withdrew before then event
Also, None of the 917s at CLM were driven very quickly. The Car Bell was to have driven crashed badly in practice and was never seen again.
The other short tail 69 car driven by Romain Dumas barely did two laps at the back of the field and went back to the pits
Only the Zitro racing car showed any kind of moderate pace, and then only for a lap or so either side of trundling around in the midfield
They al still looked and sounded epic though
The remaining 917 finished 8th on race 2, which shows a moderate level of pace. Certainly much faster than the MM demonstration would've been!
When you consider you can go to France for the LeMans Classic for a similar cost to Goodwood (including tickets, accomodation and travel), it's definitely worth considering if you want to see the 917's a similar cars of the era.
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