BOV question..
Discussion
Saw a picture awhile back of one individuals installation of a BOV mounted where the flexible rubber coupling is between the turbo and the elbow (diffuser?) pipe. Much concern about its proximity to the heat from the turbo itself. I don't think a really good instl of a BOV on these cars can be done without some custom fabrication and pain.
That was Jerry's. Everyone poo-poo-ed it at the time, but it worked out well for him. His main concern was redirecting the charge away from the turbo so it wouldn't get covered with oil mist. He used a piston type BOV that was all metal, that is, no rubber parts.
I like that setup Luke did. Very clean. I've been thinking about this whole BOV thing. Maybe I'm watching too much Initial D. Anyway, I need my turbo back on and running right before I start peeing off money on other stuff. I have been having turbo issues for a while now. Its been to the shop four times now. Once just went boom, once my fault, twice their fault. On the bright side, I can pull a turbo in 1 hour five minutes from getting my tools out to the thing sitting on the bench.
So, LotusACBC, you still "what if"ing or have you finally started homeing in on one and your already planning accessories?
Dr.Hess
I like that setup Luke did. Very clean. I've been thinking about this whole BOV thing. Maybe I'm watching too much Initial D. Anyway, I need my turbo back on and running right before I start peeing off money on other stuff. I have been having turbo issues for a while now. Its been to the shop four times now. Once just went boom, once my fault, twice their fault. On the bright side, I can pull a turbo in 1 hour five minutes from getting my tools out to the thing sitting on the bench.
So, LotusACBC, you still "what if"ing or have you finally started homeing in on one and your already planning accessories?
Dr.Hess
Nj (rich)
Dr Hess
Yes, I am back! LOL I have finally said the hell with it and bought an Esprit. It is a white 1989 non SE, but an Esprit nonetheless. And actually Rich, it is Noahs Esprit. I saw it on ebay from a guy in North Carolina. I decided this is the 4th time it came around to me, I might as well get it because honestly, I have been seriously searching for almost a year now and finding nothing but poor example Esprits from dealers and owners alike who have no service records, the car is not as described, and the dealers are fishy. Or when I went to look at 1 or 2 from the club members, they were sold "just last week." So, atleast I know the history behind this 89, and the records are all there.
I am having it shipped from NC. I really wanted to fly there and drive it home, but the DMV is of no help at all. They are telling me I need a temporary transit plate from NC, but when I call NC's DMV, they tell me they dont require that and as long as you have the title and bill of sale, that is all that is required. Thats fine and good I said, but what happened when I go through other states to get home. They had no answer. Therefore, I am going to have it picked up sometime this week and shipped to me.
So guys, I am finally going to be an Esprit owner. The car should be here by the first or middle of second week in August.
-Paul
Dr Hess
Yes, I am back! LOL I have finally said the hell with it and bought an Esprit. It is a white 1989 non SE, but an Esprit nonetheless. And actually Rich, it is Noahs Esprit. I saw it on ebay from a guy in North Carolina. I decided this is the 4th time it came around to me, I might as well get it because honestly, I have been seriously searching for almost a year now and finding nothing but poor example Esprits from dealers and owners alike who have no service records, the car is not as described, and the dealers are fishy. Or when I went to look at 1 or 2 from the club members, they were sold "just last week." So, atleast I know the history behind this 89, and the records are all there.
I am having it shipped from NC. I really wanted to fly there and drive it home, but the DMV is of no help at all. They are telling me I need a temporary transit plate from NC, but when I call NC's DMV, they tell me they dont require that and as long as you have the title and bill of sale, that is all that is required. Thats fine and good I said, but what happened when I go through other states to get home. They had no answer. Therefore, I am going to have it picked up sometime this week and shipped to me.
So guys, I am finally going to be an Esprit owner. The car should be here by the first or middle of second week in August.
-Paul
Thanks guys. It wasn't that expensive, but I can’t tell you how much since it was lumped in with a bunch of other work. I can't imagine that it would be really that hard to do for someone that knows their shit. ...especially if you brought them just the nozzle and the BOV.
Anyway...
It seems to work SO MUCH better now. The sound is much crisper and cleaner. Less like a queef and more like a hiss. :-)
If you have the means I highly recommend picking one up.
Lucas.
retrophit.com
Anyway...
It seems to work SO MUCH better now. The sound is much crisper and cleaner. Less like a queef and more like a hiss. :-)
If you have the means I highly recommend picking one up.
Lucas.
retrophit.com
Yeah, me too. Grows on ya and, like all Esprits and Loti in general, pictures don't do them justice.
Of course, everyone thinks their Esprit is best, but the 89-non-SE has: No chargecooler pump, no power steering, no airbags, GM engine management, Renault gear box, and inexpensive brake parts. Be sure to check out my cross reference parts list, as it directly applies to your car.
Dr.Hess
Of course, everyone thinks their Esprit is best, but the 89-non-SE has: No chargecooler pump, no power steering, no airbags, GM engine management, Renault gear box, and inexpensive brake parts. Be sure to check out my cross reference parts list, as it directly applies to your car.
Dr.Hess
Dr.Hess said:
Yeah, me too. Grows on ya and, like all Esprits and Loti in general, pictures don't do them justice.
Of course, everyone thinks their Esprit is best, but the 89-non-SE has: No chargecooler pump, no power steering, no airbags, GM engine management, Renault gear box, and inexpensive brake parts. Be sure to check out my cross reference parts list, as it directly applies to your car.
Dr.Hess
I show people pics of the Esprit, and they are always unimpressed. I tell them the same thing though, pictures do them NO justice AT ALL. They are a totally different animal in the flesh. I can deal with no power steering, no airbags, but I do wish it had the chargecooler for extra safe horsepower, which is why I search for almost a year to get an SE. And I had one all set until the seller backed out of the deal and never responded to any calls or emails from me again LOL.A good example SE let me tell you is nearly impossible to find! Atleast its a good thing the car has GM management, no?
I am looking forward to learning all about my particular year and model, and I am sure I will be checking out that list of yours!
Yeah, I saw that car advertised again and was wondering if it was Noah's or not. Very cool.
As for getting the car... just go and drive it. hahaha When I got mine from VA, because there was a loan on the car, I couldn't transfer anything since he didn't have the bill of sale in hand. So I went down, kept his plates, registration and insurance but also insured it on my policy. We also had a ton of paperwork for titling and all that once he got it squared away. Not the smartest thing to do, but whatever... I wanted my car. Anyway, you could fly down there and get everything and go to DMV and they can get you something but trasporting it back is fine too.
Congratulations!!!
As for getting the car... just go and drive it. hahaha When I got mine from VA, because there was a loan on the car, I couldn't transfer anything since he didn't have the bill of sale in hand. So I went down, kept his plates, registration and insurance but also insured it on my policy. We also had a ton of paperwork for titling and all that once he got it squared away. Not the smartest thing to do, but whatever... I wanted my car. Anyway, you could fly down there and get everything and go to DMV and they can get you something but trasporting it back is fine too.
Congratulations!!!
NJGSX96 said:
Yeah, I saw that car advertised again and was wondering if it was Noah's or not. Very cool.
As for getting the car... just go and drive it. hahaha When I got mine from VA, because there was a loan on the car, I couldn't transfer anything since he didn't have the bill of sale in hand. So I went down, kept his plates, registration and insurance but also insured it on my policy. We also had a ton of paperwork for titling and all that once he got it squared away. Not the smartest thing to do, but whatever... I wanted my car. Anyway, you could fly down there and get everything and go to DMV and they can get you something but trasporting it back is fine too.
Congratulations!!!
Thanks man! I got it at a good price too. I mean honestly Rich, you know of all people how long I have been looking and how things kept falling through, I finally decided to say the hell with it, this is probably one of the better exampled around for extremely cheap, why not right!
Also, new plans, I am flying out there Friday and driving it home. Should be a blast! The guy said he would let me use his plates, so all I have to do is insure it before I leave Friday. Insurance is almost nothing on this thing too, only $515 full coverage for 6 months!
I am a little nervous I have to admit though driving it almost 800 miles. I hope it is up for the challenge!
Like I said, Jerry did one on his 89 non-SE. Used a Samco T (recommends 50mm) and a piston type BOV that I think he sourced from Europe. Otherwise, just get a Greddy from anywhere and the aluminum weld-on adapter and take it to a welder to get the adapter tig'ed to the air box or the connecting tube like Luke has pictured above. This is probably the best solution anyway.
You should be on the Yahoo turboesprit list too. Lots of good info there.
Dr.Hess
You should be on the Yahoo turboesprit list too. Lots of good info there.
Dr.Hess
Dr.Hess said:
Like I said, Jerry did one on his 89 non-SE. Used a Samco T (recommends 50mm) and a piston type BOV that I think he sourced from Europe. Otherwise, just get a Greddy from anywhere and the aluminum weld-on adapter and take it to a welder to get the adapter tig'ed to the air box or the connecting tube like Luke has pictured above. This is probably the best solution anyway.
You should be on the Yahoo turboesprit list too. Lots of good info there.
Dr.Hess
Hmmm, I may have to join that list. But, why do you think they do not make one directly like they sell through Espritworld.com for the Non Se?
Because there were, what? 118 1989 non-SE's sold in the entire history of the world. Makes it a bit difficult to cost effectively develop stuff specifically for it. Marcus makes the only chip upgrade (different GM ECU than the SE). It is really amazing that he took the time to decode/develop one for us given the small potential customer base.
Really, all you need is a 50mm Samco T, a piston BOV, some vacuum line and a vacuum T. Make your own "kit." Or pick up a Summit or Jegs catalog and buy one of their BOV's with the flange and get someone to weld it up for you and drill the hole in the middle. Want me to sell you a kit? Look up the prices in Jegs, double the price and I'll sell it to you.
Oh, and not having airbags, ABS, and power steering is a _good_thing, as that's what the SE crowd try very hard to take off first thing. Not having the charge cooler pump to break down is good, too, but then, we don't have the charge cooler either which isn't as nice. The car is plenty fast as it comes.
Dr.Hess
Really, all you need is a 50mm Samco T, a piston BOV, some vacuum line and a vacuum T. Make your own "kit." Or pick up a Summit or Jegs catalog and buy one of their BOV's with the flange and get someone to weld it up for you and drill the hole in the middle. Want me to sell you a kit? Look up the prices in Jegs, double the price and I'll sell it to you.
Oh, and not having airbags, ABS, and power steering is a _good_thing, as that's what the SE crowd try very hard to take off first thing. Not having the charge cooler pump to break down is good, too, but then, we don't have the charge cooler either which isn't as nice. The car is plenty fast as it comes.
Dr.Hess
Dr.Hess said:
Because there were, what? 118 1989 non-SE's sold in the entire history of the world. Makes it a bit difficult to cost effectively develop stuff specifically for it. Marcus makes the only chip upgrade (different GM ECU than the SE). It is really amazing that he took the time to decode/develop one for us given the small potential customer base.
Really, all you need is a 50mm Samco T, a piston BOV, some vacuum line and a vacuum T. Make your own "kit." Or pick up a Summit or Jegs catalog and buy one of their BOV's with the flange and get someone to weld it up for you and drill the hole in the middle. Want me to sell you a kit? Look up the prices in Jegs, double the price and I'll sell it to you.
Oh, and not having airbags, ABS, and power steering is a _good_thing, as that's what the SE crowd try very hard to take off first thing. Not having the charge cooler pump to break down is good, too, but then, we don't have the charge cooler either which isn't as nice. The car is plenty fast as it comes.
Dr.Hess
I had no idea there was so few 89 non-SE's. Would a BOV be of any help to the turbo being that it is not chargecooled anyway?
The chip for this car that Marcus makes, what does it do exactly? Have a link also?
Given that we only make 0.65 bar boost, it depends on what experts you talk to. Some racers I know say it isn't worth the trouble at that boost level. Others say it is. I want the poosh sound like on Initial D. I really want my turbo back first.
http://freudhoefer.de/lotus/esprit/products/chips/4cyl.htm
Marcus' #15 chip is for us. I forget who here has one, but he was happy with it and also reported better fuel economy.
Dr.Hess
http://freudhoefer.de/lotus/esprit/products/chips/4cyl.htm
Marcus' #15 chip is for us. I forget who here has one, but he was happy with it and also reported better fuel economy.
Dr.Hess
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