Rangers & Celtic for the English Premiership
Discussion
Can you take them...please?
I'm not sure what the thoughts are down south about the old firm jumping ship for England, but in their current state I think they'd struggle to beat top Championship teams. if they were allowed to move they would however get more money which could be spent in improving the team, assuming they beat the drop.
What are your thoughts, should they be allowed to join the English leagues, would they bring something new and exciting to your league setup?
I'm not sure what the thoughts are down south about the old firm jumping ship for England, but in their current state I think they'd struggle to beat top Championship teams. if they were allowed to move they would however get more money which could be spent in improving the team, assuming they beat the drop.
What are your thoughts, should they be allowed to join the English leagues, would they bring something new and exciting to your league setup?
but if a deal can be struck to remove the Evil Red Scumbags from Salford and replace with Rangers...that'd work.Sod that.
Quite apart from the fact they're Scottish teams, not English, how could it possibly be done fairly?
It would have to involve relegating 2 more teams from the Premiership or promoting 2 less from the Championship.
We'd still end up with an odd number in at least one of those leagues too.
Besides, they'd get slaughtered in the Premiership.
Quite apart from the fact they're Scottish teams, not English, how could it possibly be done fairly?
It would have to involve relegating 2 more teams from the Premiership or promoting 2 less from the Championship.
We'd still end up with an odd number in at least one of those leagues too.
Besides, they'd get slaughtered in the Premiership.
im said:
Scottish football would disappear into oblivion without them.
I'd like to see them move somewhere, maybe into a European superleague?
But the thing is theyre a Scottish team. If they were to go somewhere else other teams would then have the chance to win the title. And there would be more of a selection of teams challenging. For Example: Aberdeen (C'Mon the dons), Hearts, Hibernian, possibly Dundee Utd also?
Another problem would be moving another 2 teams up to the SPL then move another 2 up from every other scottish league. Then would have to move 2 up from the Highland league THEN putting another 2 teams into that. Too much hassle
But the thing is theyre a Scottish team. If they were to go somewhere else other teams would then have the chance to win the title. And there would be more of a selection of teams challenging. For Example: Aberdeen (C'Mon the dons), Hearts, Hibernian, possibly Dundee Utd also?
Another problem would be moving another 2 teams up to the SPL then move another 2 up from every other scottish league. Then would have to move 2 up from the Highland league THEN putting another 2 teams into that. Too much hassle
yellowbentines said:
Can you take them...please?
I'm not sure what the thoughts are down south about the old firm jumping ship for England, but in their current state I think they'd struggle to beat top Championship teams. if they were allowed to move they would however get more money which could be spent in improving the team, assuming they beat the drop.
What are your thoughts, should they be allowed to join the English leagues, would they bring something new and exciting to your league setup?
only if they start in the lowest league in the english football pyramid. as a supporter of a champoinship club, i would hate to see them get a place in the premiership automatically, especially given rangers performance last night.I'm not sure what the thoughts are down south about the old firm jumping ship for England, but in their current state I think they'd struggle to beat top Championship teams. if they were allowed to move they would however get more money which could be spent in improving the team, assuming they beat the drop.
What are your thoughts, should they be allowed to join the English leagues, would they bring something new and exciting to your league setup?
on what basis are they deserving of a place in the premier league over a championship club fighting for promotion at the moment. this idea really amkes me angry, they have no right to be in the premier league. as the old firm show on a regular basis, they are simply not good enough.
celtic and rangers think they have become too big for the spl, well i am not surprised given thy have spent millions just trying to beat each other.....when the competition is Dundee, ICT and Motherwell, its no surprise either one of them will win the spl as an english championship team could beat any of those three quite comfortably.
they would bring nothing to the english ryman league north, thats where they should start and i wait with baited breath to see how many loyal fans make the journey south each week to watch them play the likes of Stalybridge or Altrincham....
I never understand "Celtic (c'on the Hoops) & Rangers shouldn't be allowed into the premiership because they're rubbish" if you let them into the prem and give them the money then they would be stright into the top six on attendances, big manes would come north and could you "down south" contemplate the celts being
champions of 'england'?
They also would not have to scurry to the far east preseason drumming up worldwide support/income as both of the old firm have massive supporter bases in N America where of course theres lots of money
Scottish football would blossom as well -when hibs were relegated a few years ago their attandances went up in Div 1 because they were playing to win something, not playing for 3rd. Most spl teams now can't even fill their grounds when the old firm come to ttown
Incidentally, I think the money in football is obscene and it is very unfortunate that everything revolves around it but its supply and demand and unless this recession turns into depression we are lumped with a system thats makes ordinary men like me puke when 'heroes' earn several times more in a week than i earn in a year and then do f all for it!
champions of 'england'?
They also would not have to scurry to the far east preseason drumming up worldwide support/income as both of the old firm have massive supporter bases in N America where of course theres lots of money
Scottish football would blossom as well -when hibs were relegated a few years ago their attandances went up in Div 1 because they were playing to win something, not playing for 3rd. Most spl teams now can't even fill their grounds when the old firm come to ttown
Incidentally, I think the money in football is obscene and it is very unfortunate that everything revolves around it but its supply and demand and unless this recession turns into depression we are lumped with a system thats makes ordinary men like me puke when 'heroes' earn several times more in a week than i earn in a year and then do f all for it!
I think there is little doubt that having the two Glasgow teams playing in the English/Welsh leagues would do a lot for them. At the moment they are just big fish in a small pond. If they have any aspirations to become world class then they need to play competative matches week after week.
Whether they are Premiership quality is in serious doubt, but what is certain is that they won't come south to play in any lower league. And I can't see Salmond allowing them to move in any case. Big fish/small pond is what gets his socks off it seems.
From what I understand of the Scottish leagues, the exit of Rangers and Celtic would, if anything, benefit the other sides. It would give them something to play for. Such a move could well be the making of the two teams or might ruin their status.
I can't see it myself. It would be a big risk for them. Would they keep their big gates if they struggled in the relegation zone for a season or two? They are comfortable at the moment as the only real competition they have is each other. Would you want to go from that to being frightened of having to play West Ham?
Whether they are Premiership quality is in serious doubt, but what is certain is that they won't come south to play in any lower league. And I can't see Salmond allowing them to move in any case. Big fish/small pond is what gets his socks off it seems.
From what I understand of the Scottish leagues, the exit of Rangers and Celtic would, if anything, benefit the other sides. It would give them something to play for. Such a move could well be the making of the two teams or might ruin their status.
I can't see it myself. It would be a big risk for them. Would they keep their big gates if they struggled in the relegation zone for a season or two? They are comfortable at the moment as the only real competition they have is each other. Would you want to go from that to being frightened of having to play West Ham?
dtmpower said:
Soir said:
Can't be allowed to happen - they are scottish teams not english
besides, imagine they did and one got relegated - I'm sure they would be jumping back to the SPL
And how does your comparison work with Cardiff City ?besides, imagine they did and one got relegated - I'm sure they would be jumping back to the SPL
the problem with the scottish leagues is the fact that they have four leagues of ten teams, thus the likes of celtic and rangers play the weaker teams in the SPL four times so they get the chance of taking twelve easy points (times the number of weak teams) each year... if they combined the four leagues into two, they would have an even bigger problem....
if i were the SFA i would solve the problem by saying that 7/8 of the 11 players fielded must be scottish. that wasy, the big two cant go on a spending spree and buy the best players who dont want to play in la liga, the premiership, bundesliga, serie a.........
lazyitus said:
They can stay put. Why would we want them in the English leagues ? All they'd bring is crowd trouble and on the flip side, who would want to pay the cost of travelling to Glasgow twice a season to see an away game ?
I can see the point of view of 'why would we want them, how does it benefit us', but lets say you're an Arsenal or Chelsea fan, what would appeal to you, trekking up to Burnley, Stoke or Hull to watch your team play, or taking a cheap flight (Glasgow is very accessible remember) to watch your team play in front of a packed house of 60,000 passionate fans, and as someone pointed out once Rangers and Celtic got access to more money, their teams would be dramatically improved.As for crowd trouble, come on, our old firm fans have on occasion caused a bit of bother, but English football fans aren't known for winning awards for being well behaved!
I don't think it will happen, and I personally don't think it should as there'd be no fair way of doing it without putting other clubs they'd 'leapfrog' down south at a disadvantage.
yellowbentines said:
There's an argument that the other SPL teams would gather more support and turnout at matches if the Old Firm were to move south, as the SPL would then become interesting as one of many other teams could actually win, making it more interesting. Whether this would offset TV money, sponsorship and gate receipts from having the Old Firm alongside them i'm not so sure.
That arguement is rubbish I'm told (by my family north of the border). Most of the scottish teams rely upon the sell outs they get from those 4 games against both the Glasgow teams - take them away and there is nothing to replace that income. New scottish football fans will gravitate to Celtic & Rangers as they will be playing the much more high profile matches EVERY WEEK - not just when they play each other. The Scottish league will then be a little better than the current Welsh league - but not much.
im said:
yellowbentines said:
There's an argument that the other SPL teams would gather more support and turnout at matches if the Old Firm were to move south, as the SPL would then become interesting as one of many other teams could actually win, making it more interesting. Whether this would offset TV money, sponsorship and gate receipts from having the Old Firm alongside them i'm not so sure.
That arguement is rubbish I'm told (by my family north of the border). Most of the scottish teams rely upon the sell outs they get from those 4 games against both the Glasgow teams - take them away and there is nothing to replace that income. New scottish football fans will gravitate to Celtic & Rangers as they will be playing the much more high profile matches EVERY WEEK - not just when they play each other. The Scottish league will then be a little better than the current Welsh league - but not much.
But my uncle is a Hearts season ticket holder and teams like them, Hibs and Aberdeen seem to get good attendances.
If they want to join the Premier League the only option would be for them to start at the base of the pyramid and work their way up. But I doubt they would be able to retain enough players that were of good enough quality, plus it would be a bit of a stretch for teams to travel all the way to Glasgow for the away matches! I remember when we played AFC Wimbledon, it was their first league game after forming. Sandhurst had never seen as many cars parked on the rec, imagine some northern village pub being invaded by rowdy Scots!
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