Wales V England Banter
Discussion
Righty'o then chaps, let the banter commence!!!
My thoughts:
Wales
- Need to play for full 80 mins at full intensity, providing we do this England won't be able to hack the pace and be blown off the park. 25 points margin +
- Need to keep focus and not be pulled down into the attritional style rugby England currently play. England have a knack at doing this to us.
England
- Need to throw caution to the wind. They'll never put a good team to the sword playing conservative route one selections such as Tindall, Noon, Goode..etc...etc.
- Surely they can't play that badly again?
My thoughts:
Wales
- Need to play for full 80 mins at full intensity, providing we do this England won't be able to hack the pace and be blown off the park. 25 points margin +
- Need to keep focus and not be pulled down into the attritional style rugby England currently play. England have a knack at doing this to us.
England
- Need to throw caution to the wind. They'll never put a good team to the sword playing conservative route one selections such as Tindall, Noon, Goode..etc...etc.
- Surely they can't play that badly again?
I'll have a bit of banter 
Being English i think we are going to be on the end of a hiding but, to address a few points.
People talk about the English midfield, any team would suffer to be creative with the slow ball our forwards are creating, including the Welsh. Noon and Tindall might not be the most creative, but every team needs a truck. Wales have Shanklin and a great game he played, the difference is that he's taking the ball on the front foot and he is being put into space, making him a much more dangerous open field runner.
Hipkiss or Tait might be a better option at OC but still we need to create quick ball out of the ruck and get whom ever is playing fly half to stand flatter, take the ball to the line and get runners over the gain line.
But saying all that, the banter will be great lol
Being English i think we are going to be on the end of a hiding but, to address a few points.
People talk about the English midfield, any team would suffer to be creative with the slow ball our forwards are creating, including the Welsh. Noon and Tindall might not be the most creative, but every team needs a truck. Wales have Shanklin and a great game he played, the difference is that he's taking the ball on the front foot and he is being put into space, making him a much more dangerous open field runner.
Hipkiss or Tait might be a better option at OC but still we need to create quick ball out of the ruck and get whom ever is playing fly half to stand flatter, take the ball to the line and get runners over the gain line.
But saying all that, the banter will be great lol
Well, England are expected to lose, so it's the perfect opportunity for Johnson to finally make a gutsy selection.
Wales will want to play a fast game with quick ball, and if England want to win, they need to up there intensity and beat them at there own game.
For a start, if Steffon Armitage starts again, he needs to see way more ball and quick ball all that, pointless him being there and only getting the ball 3 times. Same with easter, he makes metres, when he has the ball.
Flyhalf is obviously a major issue, Goode is a major backward step, if Flood is still unavailable, start Geragthy. England can get plenty of good ball off the lineout, it just isn't being used.
Unfortunately, I think Wales will win, but not by the margins some are hoping for..............
Wales will want to play a fast game with quick ball, and if England want to win, they need to up there intensity and beat them at there own game.
For a start, if Steffon Armitage starts again, he needs to see way more ball and quick ball all that, pointless him being there and only getting the ball 3 times. Same with easter, he makes metres, when he has the ball.
Flyhalf is obviously a major issue, Goode is a major backward step, if Flood is still unavailable, start Geragthy. England can get plenty of good ball off the lineout, it just isn't being used.
Unfortunately, I think Wales will win, but not by the margins some are hoping for..............
Bosshogg76 said:
I'll have a bit of banter
any team would suffer to be creative with the slow ball our forwards are creating
This is true. any team would suffer to be creative with the slow ball our forwards are creating
England are very slow at recycling the ball which allows the opposing defence to set. The top few teams in the world recycle very quickly, the ball is taken into contact and presented immediately leaving the backs to run at out of position forwards and broken lines.
It should be a good game whoever you support, they're generally high intensity games and a good spectacle.
it also depends on whether the players actually listen to the team instructions. Johnson seemed fairly miffed at the amount of pick and drives. Apparently they discussed how strong the italians were at defending close to the ruck, but still England persisted with this tactic. Additionally the forwards were taking the ball statically behind the gain line and trying to get some momentum 4 yards wide of the ruck and unsurprisingly got smashed backwards.
You look at Wales, Powell smashes over the gain line from depth, looks for the off load same with Aln Wyn Jones, etc. Their defence is well organised spreads well and blitzes hard off the line. If we kick deep with out accuracy, then it's curtains as Lee Byrne is clearly the best fullback at the moment, with maybe Irelands Kearney getting near him.
We're doomed i tell thee
You look at Wales, Powell smashes over the gain line from depth, looks for the off load same with Aln Wyn Jones, etc. Their defence is well organised spreads well and blitzes hard off the line. If we kick deep with out accuracy, then it's curtains as Lee Byrne is clearly the best fullback at the moment, with maybe Irelands Kearney getting near him.
We're doomed i tell thee
I was at HQ for the game last year, and sat after the final whistle trying to work out what I'd just seen...
On the basis of our game against Italy, we need to stop the silly errors (as ever) and the ill-discipline (ditto). If we could string a passage of play together and keep the ball in hand we might have half a chance, but the backs looked like they'd only just met each other.
I'd like to be fiercely patriotic and say we'll win. But I'm just not sure, and as such I'll be watching in my front room, rather than making the trip. In fact the credit crunch means I'll be staying in for this years competition, which is a shame - but it's a fair hike for a day out.
A good point was made after the game though (not that I can remember who by) - we may perform better as underdogs than when we fancy ourselves a little. Watch this space.
On the basis of our game against Italy, we need to stop the silly errors (as ever) and the ill-discipline (ditto). If we could string a passage of play together and keep the ball in hand we might have half a chance, but the backs looked like they'd only just met each other.
I'd like to be fiercely patriotic and say we'll win. But I'm just not sure, and as such I'll be watching in my front room, rather than making the trip. In fact the credit crunch means I'll be staying in for this years competition, which is a shame - but it's a fair hike for a day out.
A good point was made after the game though (not that I can remember who by) - we may perform better as underdogs than when we fancy ourselves a little. Watch this space.
SJ was just having an off day, it happens to the best of them.
He will be dialled in this weekend.
I'm just so excited, love the atmosphere/intesity of the old Wales V England clashes. I think we owe England a hammering based on what they did to us in the late 90s and early 00s. Saying that, we'd need to put 200 points on them to balance it out
Wales 200 England 0
He will be dialled in this weekend.
I'm just so excited, love the atmosphere/intesity of the old Wales V England clashes. I think we owe England a hammering based on what they did to us in the late 90s and early 00s. Saying that, we'd need to put 200 points on them to balance it out
Wales 200 England 0
hornetrider said:
Hook will start on the bench. I have total faith in SJ's kicking - must have just had an off day on Sunday. You can bet your arse him and NJ will have been working on it all week.
I'm split, I want SJ to perform well for my fantasy team, but I know it's going to cause me nationalistic pain! Same will that midget Williams - shame Ben Cohan can't go selected against him!Looks like Tindall will be back, which if Johnson goes with Tait as well should at least give some fire to the midfield. Much as I dislike Cipriani it was a shame he didn't get a game on Friday to see if he has settled down a bit.
I didn't think Gerehty covered himself in glory any more than Goode to be honest. What's the latest on Flood anyone know? Hope Ellis gets another run out
I'd love Hook to develop a bit more before being first choice 10, he's only young with lots to learn. He adds more to the attack than Jones but Jones has a better allround game.
We're doing well for 10s especially with the even younger and more promising Dan Biggar learning his trade. We'll be like a dog with two ***** in 5 years time!
We're doing well for 10s especially with the even younger and more promising Dan Biggar learning his trade. We'll be like a dog with two ***** in 5 years time!
An optimistic friend of mine reckons that the Italian match was a cunning plan by MJ to disguise the true, full-strength team for the remaining matches. His view is that the England team to face Wales will be a *LOT* stronger and have totally different tactics.
I'd love to agree with him, but I think we're just s
te at the moment, a fact that my South African brother-in-law enjoys reminding me about.
I'd love to agree with him, but I think we're just s
te at the moment, a fact that my South African brother-in-law enjoys reminding me about.Edited by JerseyS2000 on Tuesday 10th February 13:53
From the BBC website:
England team to face Wales:
D Armitage (London Irish); Sackey (Wasps), Tindall (Gloucester), Flutey (Wasps), Cueto (Sale); Goode (Brive), Ellis (Leicester); Sheridan (Sale), Mears (Bath), Vickery (Wasps), Borthwick (Saracens, capt), Kennedy (London Irish), Haskell (Wasps), Worsley (Wasps), Easter (Harlequins).
Replacements: Hartley (Northampton), White (Leicester), Croft (Leicester), Narraway (Gloucester), Hodgson (London Irish), Flood (Leicester), Tait (Sale).
Too old-school for me, no playmakers. Oh dear.
England team to face Wales:
D Armitage (London Irish); Sackey (Wasps), Tindall (Gloucester), Flutey (Wasps), Cueto (Sale); Goode (Brive), Ellis (Leicester); Sheridan (Sale), Mears (Bath), Vickery (Wasps), Borthwick (Saracens, capt), Kennedy (London Irish), Haskell (Wasps), Worsley (Wasps), Easter (Harlequins).
Replacements: Hartley (Northampton), White (Leicester), Croft (Leicester), Narraway (Gloucester), Hodgson (London Irish), Flood (Leicester), Tait (Sale).
Too old-school for me, no playmakers. Oh dear.
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