Calzaghe v Froch
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Ok I know its very unlikely but if it happened I reckon Froch would have the beating of Calazaghe. Froch took some tremendous shots last weekend and stood up well to them, so tough seeing Calzaghe KO'ing him. On the other hand Froch packs a punch and Joe has been known to go down pretty easily in the past.
Froch KO or Calzaghe close points
Froch KO or Calzaghe close points
Froch would take him very close and I think could beat him. But, its a fight that will never happen unless Calzaghe's ego gets the better of him. I think he will retire, find out in the new year, but a Froch fight is one he doesnt need if he does carry on.
Froch is and always has been a very classy fighter, it has taken him this long to get a world title as people wouldn't fight him. With Calzaghe out of the picture, he has the potential to be the next truly great British fighter - he is very good!
Froch is and always has been a very classy fighter, it has taken him this long to get a world title as people wouldn't fight him. With Calzaghe out of the picture, he has the potential to be the next truly great British fighter - he is very good!
I also reckon Froch would have Calzaghe. Joe knows this and never in a million years will go near Froch. There's no way he's going to risk his 'legacy'.
FWIW, even as a Welshman, I've never really rated Calzaghe as a great fighter. A superb boxer, but to me he's never had the power. Workrate yes, you can't deny that, but he's never really hurt anybody. He wins his fights on workrate alone.
Funny quotes today.
FWIW, even as a Welshman, I've never really rated Calzaghe as a great fighter. A superb boxer, but to me he's never had the power. Workrate yes, you can't deny that, but he's never really hurt anybody. He wins his fights on workrate alone.
Funny quotes today.
BBC Article said:
Froch has talked of fighting Joe Calzaghe, but the unbeaten Welshman, who once held the belt that now belongs to Froch, looks as though he will carry out his threat to retire in the new year.
The 36-year-old, who has won all of his 46 fights, also insists he will not take on Froch if he decides to continue his career.
"He has nothing to offer me," Calzaghe told Radio 5 Live. "I would knock the guy out, so why would I fight him? It doesn't mean anything.
"He wants a pay day and I'm not going to give him one because I don't like the guy.
"I judge people how they perform in the ring. His mouth is interesting but nothing in his performance is interesting as far as I am concerned."
Froch hit back at those comments, questioning Calzaghe's state of mind and insisting that if they did meet he would knock the Welshman out.
"From his comments and the stuff he's said, I don't want to be horrible but I think he's a little bit thick, Joe Calzaghe, I really do," said Froch. "His comments are just absolutely ridiculous so he must be a little bit stupid.
"He talks about fighting Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr but has he forgotten that Bernard Hopkins is 43 and well, well past his best.
"He got beat by Bernard Hopkins in not just my opinion but in other people's opinion, including one of the judges on the night.
"Roy Jones Jr is 39-years-old - I would have taken more pride in refusing a fight with Roy Jones Jr because the guy shouldn't be fighting.
"He says he will knock me out in three rounds but Joe Calzaghe doesn't knock anybody out lately - he slaps for 12 rounds, and against both of his last two opponents he got decked in the first round.
"If I deck him in the first round I'm not going to let him off the hook. If anyone's going to get knocked out in three rounds it's him."
The 36-year-old, who has won all of his 46 fights, also insists he will not take on Froch if he decides to continue his career.
"He has nothing to offer me," Calzaghe told Radio 5 Live. "I would knock the guy out, so why would I fight him? It doesn't mean anything.
"He wants a pay day and I'm not going to give him one because I don't like the guy.
"I judge people how they perform in the ring. His mouth is interesting but nothing in his performance is interesting as far as I am concerned."
Froch hit back at those comments, questioning Calzaghe's state of mind and insisting that if they did meet he would knock the Welshman out.
"From his comments and the stuff he's said, I don't want to be horrible but I think he's a little bit thick, Joe Calzaghe, I really do," said Froch. "His comments are just absolutely ridiculous so he must be a little bit stupid.
"He talks about fighting Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr but has he forgotten that Bernard Hopkins is 43 and well, well past his best.
"He got beat by Bernard Hopkins in not just my opinion but in other people's opinion, including one of the judges on the night.
"Roy Jones Jr is 39-years-old - I would have taken more pride in refusing a fight with Roy Jones Jr because the guy shouldn't be fighting.
"He says he will knock me out in three rounds but Joe Calzaghe doesn't knock anybody out lately - he slaps for 12 rounds, and against both of his last two opponents he got decked in the first round.
"If I deck him in the first round I'm not going to let him off the hook. If anyone's going to get knocked out in three rounds it's him."
Edited by hornetrider on Friday 12th December 16:04
Calzaghe is a bit of a prat and I don't like him too much, but he'd beat Froch with relative ease, he wouldn't KO him as he suggests, but beat him he surely would.
Joe is just to busy and Froch to easy to hit. Apart from Pascal, Froch has faced nobody. The acid test for Froch is Kessler, who I think will beat Froch.
I give Joe credit for beating Hopkins (I had him 1 point ahead) but none whatsoever for beating up Roy Jones Jr, Jones would have beaten Calzaghe at his peak, there is no doubt about it, so would James Toney, apart from those two, I have to rate Calzaghe as one of the best super middleweights of all time.
Joe is just to busy and Froch to easy to hit. Apart from Pascal, Froch has faced nobody. The acid test for Froch is Kessler, who I think will beat Froch.
I give Joe credit for beating Hopkins (I had him 1 point ahead) but none whatsoever for beating up Roy Jones Jr, Jones would have beaten Calzaghe at his peak, there is no doubt about it, so would James Toney, apart from those two, I have to rate Calzaghe as one of the best super middleweights of all time.
JLJ said:
Joe is just to busy and Froch to easy to hit. Apart from Pascal, Froch has faced nobody. The acid test for Froch is Kessler, who I think will beat Froch.
I think Froch v Kessler would be an interesting match up and I think Froch would have a decent shout. I agree with you that he hasnt really fought anyone, but unlike other fighters this is mainly because no bignames want will fight him! He's a dangerous fighter, he can punch, he's durable and just a bit awkward. With Calzaghe out of the picture the whole weight band will open up and I reckon Froch will do well!If Froch fought the same fight he did against Pascal, he would get taken apart by Calzaghe.
I don't think any version of Froch beats Calzaghe at this point in time, Joe is in another league. Give him a few years to develop and test himself against a few big names and he will be in with a shout...but obviously Calzaghe will be out of the picture by then.
Froch 'could' give Kessler a few problems but I reckon Kessler would beat him at this point in his career too.
Very exciting fighter to watch though.
P.S. I don't think Froch would have a chance of beating Calzaghe by KO, he has a solid chin.
I don't think any version of Froch beats Calzaghe at this point in time, Joe is in another league. Give him a few years to develop and test himself against a few big names and he will be in with a shout...but obviously Calzaghe will be out of the picture by then.
Froch 'could' give Kessler a few problems but I reckon Kessler would beat him at this point in his career too.
Very exciting fighter to watch though.
P.S. I don't think Froch would have a chance of beating Calzaghe by KO, he has a solid chin.
Edited by Robatr0n on Saturday 13th December 00:19
An intriguing fight - which as said, will never happen unless Froch gets under Calzaghe's skin so much and the public build Froch up (and the press too).
And the money is there of course.
Calzaghe is a brilliant boxer, but he's not a brilliant fighter - I'm not saying Froch is - they both have good chins - even if JC has been down in the first a couple of times.
A toss up on points. I don't think either carries the punch to knock the other spark out.
If JC doesn't retire - who is there left for him to fight?
And the money is there of course.
Calzaghe is a brilliant boxer, but he's not a brilliant fighter - I'm not saying Froch is - they both have good chins - even if JC has been down in the first a couple of times.
A toss up on points. I don't think either carries the punch to knock the other spark out.
If JC doesn't retire - who is there left for him to fight?
You guys must be kidding (or Froch's brothers!)
Calzaghe would totally ruin him. Froch (in world boxing)is a nobody. He hasn't beaten anyone of note and should concentrate on his fighting people his own level rather than calling out Joe every other week. He is too heavy on his feet, slow to react and Joe being lightening quick and super fit would beat him to the punch everytime. It is a bit like Khan calling out Mayweather!!
This isn't just me saying this either, everyone who is someone in world boxing thinks this too.
Calzaghe would totally ruin him. Froch (in world boxing)is a nobody. He hasn't beaten anyone of note and should concentrate on his fighting people his own level rather than calling out Joe every other week. He is too heavy on his feet, slow to react and Joe being lightening quick and super fit would beat him to the punch everytime. It is a bit like Khan calling out Mayweather!!
This isn't just me saying this either, everyone who is someone in world boxing thinks this too.
ZR1cliff said:
I'd have to go with Calzaghe at the moment, I think he would be too experienced for Froch. From what I've seen so far, Froch is a thinking mans fighter, I like him and want to see him progress.
He left his chin hanging out to much to be a thinking mans fighter against Pascal, a talent yes, but if he was clever, he would have listened to his corner man, work off the jab, when he did, he won the fight easily.Joe has no reason to fight Frock, he is after the money, Frock is not going to attract big money at the moment, the only fight i see possible is Vs Hopkins in London or Cardiff.
Mattygooner said:
ZR1cliff said:
I'd have to go with Calzaghe at the moment, I think he would be too experienced for Froch. From what I've seen so far, Froch is a thinking mans fighter, I like him and want to see him progress.
He left his chin hanging out to much to be a thinking mans fighter against Pascal, a talent yes, but if he was clever, he would have listened to his corner man, work off the jab, when he did, he won the fight easily.Joe has no reason to fight Frock, he is after the money, Frock is not going to attract big money at the moment, the only fight i see possible is Vs Hopkins in London or Cardiff.
Froch is no where near Calzaghe!
I thought Froch was way too easy to hit and i also wondered about his power? is it world class?
The reason Calzaghe is so good is his ability to adapt ,change his style in the midst of the fight, and hand speed they do say speed kills!
I wonder if Froch has this ability, his style is exciting no doubt but relying on power and he couldnt stop him?
Kessler would be too much for him i believe, although a good win i was dissapointed with his performance
I thought Froch was way too easy to hit and i also wondered about his power? is it world class?
The reason Calzaghe is so good is his ability to adapt ,change his style in the midst of the fight, and hand speed they do say speed kills!
I wonder if Froch has this ability, his style is exciting no doubt but relying on power and he couldnt stop him?
Kessler would be too much for him i believe, although a good win i was dissapointed with his performance
There is no one out there for JC to fight now. A fight against Froch now would add nothing to Calzaghe's legacy, and after fighting nobodies throughout the first half of his career, a legacy is what he needs. He needs more Jones Jnr's and Hopkins fights and a Froch fight would be quite dangerous, while adding nothing but a win to record.
Funny but i've never really rated Calzaghe - maybe becauseo of his patter punches - but there is no denying a guy who has got into the ring 46 times and had never even come close to getting beaten.
Funny but i've never really rated Calzaghe - maybe becauseo of his patter punches - but there is no denying a guy who has got into the ring 46 times and had never even come close to getting beaten.
If anything, his soft punches add to his legacy.
Think about it, beating the best the SMW and LHW divisions had to offer by slapping them around the ring.
For what it's worth, I reckon he has under rated power and doesn't use his power due to his brittle hands. He was advised before turning professional that he should strongly consider a different career due to how weak his hands were but luckily he decided to go against what the doctor told him.
Roy Jones stepped in the ring with Ruiz (at the time, the heavyweight champion) and handled his punches with ease yet Calzaghe gave Jones a really tough time and the fight was within an ace of being stopped at any time after the 7th round. Obviously his punch resistance had reduced since the Ruiz fight but you have to give credit where it's due.
Think about it, beating the best the SMW and LHW divisions had to offer by slapping them around the ring.
For what it's worth, I reckon he has under rated power and doesn't use his power due to his brittle hands. He was advised before turning professional that he should strongly consider a different career due to how weak his hands were but luckily he decided to go against what the doctor told him.
Roy Jones stepped in the ring with Ruiz (at the time, the heavyweight champion) and handled his punches with ease yet Calzaghe gave Jones a really tough time and the fight was within an ace of being stopped at any time after the 7th round. Obviously his punch resistance had reduced since the Ruiz fight but you have to give credit where it's due.
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