Hatton v Malignaggi

Hatton v Malignaggi

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Dirty Boy

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14,738 posts

215 months

Tuesday 18th November 2008
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Well, not long to go.

I hope Hatton 'roughs' Paulie up a bit - being smart won't get him anywhere, forget Paulie's last fight, he was a pillock in that fight, lightly motivated, stupid haircut, go back to Cotto, show's he can mix it with the big guns, he can take a lot of punishment, and is a slick fighter.

Should be good entertainment wise. I hope we see the old Hatton with new tricks, his last fight wasn't inspiring.

Hatton - UD on points.

Colin_147

409 posts

234 months

Tuesday 18th November 2008
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Malignaggi has knocked out something like 5 of his opponent from 30-odd fights, so combined with Hattons decent chin it looks very unlikely he will KO Hatton unless he grinds him down. And the unlikely of Hatton getting outworked/outclassed is slim.

So I join you in the Hatton UD club - should be a decent fight though

Robatr0n

12,362 posts

222 months

Tuesday 18th November 2008
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Malignaggi is a very slick fighter so don't bet all your money on Hatton straight away!

If Hatton fights the same fight he did against Mayweather he will be peppered with shots all night long and although it won't hurt him it'll mean he'll get beaten on points.

Going back 4/5 fights we can see that Hatton did indeed use to mix it up and box on the outside and then go to work on the inside and if we go back even further we can see that he used to box very well indeed instead of just rough housing his opponents.

Floyd Mayweather Sr has been training Hatton for this fight and has been teaching to work off the jab, slip the opponents jab (as opposed to catching it square on his forehead...along with the overhand right) and generally use his head and movement to get in on the inside and then back out again.

If he fights sensibly and cautiously it's all his as there is no way Malignaggi is taking Hatton out of there.

I would love to see Hatton finish this one early but I think he needs to play it safe and listen to Mayweather Sr very carefully.

tuscaneer

7,843 posts

231 months

Tuesday 18th November 2008
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malinaggi showed some bks to stand with cotto and got a fractured cheekbone for his trouble.you can bet he is going to give his all against hatton but the reports from camp are that hatton is vastly improved with tutlage from mayweather.floyd says that he has got hatton slipping 6 and 8 punch combos in sparring but more importantly throwing shots after slips.by hatton`s own admission he could slip some but couldn`t really get off shots after which explains the more smash and grab tactics we have seen from him in recent years

130R

6,847 posts

212 months

Tuesday 18th November 2008
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Malignaggi has no punching power at all so hopefully Hatton will be aggressive, and much improved defensively under Mayweather Sr. Hatton to win by stoppage.

Vette_1978

3,247 posts

228 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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Being a massive Hatton fan and following him for about the last 8 years I really hope he wins in style. My only concern are the reports about motivation at the start of camp and retirement issues. If he's got one eye on retirement he's not focussed on Paulie's big mouth. He's a smart fella though and since he's been with Snr he sounds a lot more settled.

I'm going for a late stoppage, maybe the 9th.

After that, where does he go? Winner of DLH v Pacman maybe?

Stu R

21,410 posts

221 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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Got to take an educated prediction of Hatton taking this.

Must say I fancy him for winning by KO too.

Not Ideal

2,942 posts

194 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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Saw the Malignaggi on Sky Sports last night....bix mouth on him but showed he can mix it when he needs to...impressed with his determination

tuscaneer

7,843 posts

231 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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if cotto couldn`t put him to sleep then i don`t think ricky can either.hatton is talking about packing in all the ste between fights so he can eek "a few more fights in before i pack it in". you can bet that the winner of manny/oscar will be in the next couple of fights.already touted for an open air stadium in uk next summer.ricky wins a close fight and might even put mallinaggi down but pauli`s chin is too good to stay there.

Dirty Boy

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14,738 posts

215 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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tuscaneer said:
if cotto couldn`t put him to sleep then i don`t think ricky can either.hatton is talking about packing in all the ste between fights so he can eek "a few more fights in before i pack it in". you can bet that the winner of manny/oscar will be in the next couple of fights.already touted for an open air stadium in uk next summer.ricky wins a close fight and might even put mallinaggi down but pauli`s chin is too good to stay there.
I remember watching the Cotto fight, he was a monster compared to Paulie, and he could hit too. He got knocked down, but is a tough customer, he took a monumental amount of punishment, but still came out of the fight holding his head high.

I really think this will be a decent fight, I hope Hatton is a bit more defensively minded, we all want him to swing, but he's getting towards the end of his career, there's no shame in being smart to win, although anything other than a classy display, and he won't meet the likes of Pacman, Oscar or dare I say it, PBF. I don't think anyone would say Paulie is an easy fight, I like him (as a fighter) he's a character, draws the punters, and can certainly move around the ring.

Incidentally, there was a program last night 'Magic Man' reviewing his career, it was a repeat slightly updated for the N'Dou fight, but if you haven't seen it, it's worth a look.

Prize Fighter looks promising too biggrin


tuscaneer

7,843 posts

231 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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yeah man should be a corker!! i think its a pipe dream about pbf though! i reckon if he is going to be coaxed out it will be against the winner of de la hoya and pacman then again if hatton starts to show some magic siht then who knows?? saw that docu.about magicman, it put him across quite well ,lets be honest he would be quite an easy bloke to consider a wker with that swagger

Dirty Boy

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14,738 posts

215 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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Just thinking about this...

IF, and it's a big IF

Hatton beats Malignaggi (in style)

Says he wants three more fights....and wins obviously....

  • Winner of de la Hoya v Pacquiao
  • Marquez (who would have to step up a divsion)
  • Rematch with Pretty Boy Floyd????
I think he should avoid anyone else in the welterweight division, Margarito, Cotto, Mosley etc, it's a big division, full of talent at the moment (and some big welterweights too).

If he could bag Malignaggi, DLH/Pacquiao, Marquez (v.dangerous) they would be some fantastic names on his CV, I think his 50th fight would drag PBF out of retirement and it would be mega money.


Robatr0n

12,362 posts

222 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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Mayweather will be back on the scene when someone takes complete control over the Welterweight division whether it will be Margarito or Paul Williams and it'll be for a huge money fight. The only reason he won't fight them in the mean time is because their names don't bring enough money to the table.

Once (well still an IF really..) he is back on the scene he could well take a farewell fight with Dela Hoya or Hatton which would give him huge amounts of money.

As much as it pains me to say it, Hatton will never beat Mayweather Jr. Floyd is just too skilled and his defense is practically on par with the young Pernell Whittakers which is why no-one lands a clean punch on him.

As far as I'm concerned Mayweather would comfortably outbox Cotto and Margarito. Williams would cause him a few more problems due to his size but I still think he would win a clear unanimous decision.

Mayweather is indeed the real deal. yes

Anyway, enough of that! I'm looking forward to this weekend. Let us hope that Malignaggi fights as badly as he did in his last bout against N'dou because then I can see a Hatton stoppage! thumbup

If the same Malignaggi who fought Cotto turns up then I can't see any option other than this going the distance.


im

34,302 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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Dont know why...but I've got a bad feeling about this fight....

Dirty Boy

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14,738 posts

215 months

Wednesday 19th November 2008
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im said:
Dont know why...but I've got a bad feeling about this fight....
I don't think for one minute RH will get knocked out, but there's every chance he could lose on points, and, from what I hear, he's not doing any weights, so his knockout punch might not be there in this fight.

Who knows.

Thunderfoot

402 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th November 2008
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Dirty Boy said:
im said:
Dont know why...but I've got a bad feeling about this fight....
I don't think for one minute RH will get knocked out, but there's every chance he could lose on points, and, from what I hear, he's not doing any weights, so his knockout punch might not be there in this fight.

Who knows.
Lifting weights has nothing to do with punch power. I boxed amatuer and prepared for some fights with weight training, it made no difference to my power.

Strength in the clinch is it's main benefit as far as I was concerned.

Core training is effective at increasing power, but even then, you can either punch or you can't.

Whilst not always the case, for the most part, punchers are punchers the day they walk in the gym.

I go for a Hatton points win, I don't think we will see any difference in Hatton's style under Mayweather, just an increase in confidence.

Dirty Boy

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14,738 posts

215 months

Thursday 20th November 2008
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Thunderfoot said:
Dirty Boy said:
im said:
Dont know why...but I've got a bad feeling about this fight....
I don't think for one minute RH will get knocked out, but there's every chance he could lose on points, and, from what I hear, he's not doing any weights, so his knockout punch might not be there in this fight.

Who knows.
Lifting weights has nothing to do with punch power. I boxed amatuer and prepared for some fights with weight training, it made no difference to my power.

Strength in the clinch is it's main benefit as far as I was concerned.

Core training is effective at increasing power, but even then, you can either punch or you can't.

Whilst not always the case, for the most part, punchers are punchers the day they walk in the gym.

I go for a Hatton points win, I don't think we will see any difference in Hatton's style under Mayweather, just an increase in confidence.
Interesting to know, cheers.



PS Anyone else think this fight's fairly low key for a Hatton fight?

tuscaneer

7,843 posts

231 months

Thursday 20th November 2008
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weights/no weights is a strange one.whilst not being a particularly gifted "boxer" i have always been able to bang a bit.i am fairly thick set with a deep chest and short(68 inch) reach.my honey punch is my right hook straight off a southpaw right jab. when i was younger it was all about keeping off the weights to hit 75kg and i must admit it was very hard to get to that weight.after a serious back injury and a layoff of about 6 years i started again just for a bit of a laugh on a saturday morning sparring session.idea being to get rid of some(oh ok a lot) of married life fat.because i have had no specific target(maybe a bit of white collar down the line) the training has now started to include some weights.no jouko ahola siht you understand,just some moderate chest,arm,back stuff.the interesting thing is that i have noticed my punches getting stiffer.i feel that the muscle twitch reaction is a bit faster but also just generally stronger muscles let you wind up harder.my arms over the last few weeks are visibly bigger(particularly bicep/tricep) and anyone who boxes will know that the last 6-8 inches before connection with hooks to head or body the bicep really pulls the power of the shot in.thats my two pennys worth aat least but i suppose its different from person to person

Dirty Boy

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14,738 posts

215 months

Thursday 20th November 2008
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I suppose it's all in the technique, I can't imagine to think how much cash I spent on 'Super Sonic Blastman' in the arcade trying my best to get that big score.

It's like kicking a football, time it right and it'll go like a bullet, force it and you'll be labled 'passback'.

I'm not a big hitter (not a boxer either) but have had a punch bag for donkeys years to help with martial arts. I've never done weights, so can't comment on the muscle side helping with power, I just assumed a bit more weight in the arms and surrounding area from doing weights would wind up a bit more power.

Anyway, who cares, as long as Hatton hits and doesn't get hit bounce

im

34,302 posts

223 months

Thursday 20th November 2008
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Dirty Boy said:
Anyway, who cares, as long as Hatton hits and doesn't get hit bounce
And thats whats niggling away at me - I think he is gonna get hit on Saturday albeit by a less powerful man but...and here's my concern...once you've visited the canvas and not beat the count how prone are you to doing it again? What does that barrier being removed do to your resolve in future fights?

Its psychological I fear and I have the same worry for Khan.

If Hatton does win on Saturday I think its only a matter of time till he gets KO'd again.

We'll see.