David Haye v Monte Barrett...Predictions?
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what will be interesting is the manner of haye`s vitory.this will show us if a little fast guy can break apart barret in the way the solid "everything behind a stiff jab" style of wlad did it a few years back.barret claims he is a better fighter now but i`m not so sure.if barret can weather the storm it will tell us that maybe haye isn`t big enough for these russian leviathans.however if he rips apart monte in an even more impresive fashion than klitschko did then his boasts of heavyweight future dominance will hold more water.some people scoff at the size differential between the klitschko bros. and everyone else citing robotic style and unfair coparisons to the likes of the ambling alp.primo carnera and other such large stature fighters like tye fields(as proven by barret) didn`t have that formidible jab of wlad.its all well and good saying his style is slow and robotic but generally everyone who says this gets softened by the jab and finished with the right without even getting through.full stop.i for onereally hope that haye can become a force at heavyweight to bring some vibrancy to the division but the nigling worry at the back of my mind is that while wlad(if not vitali)has too tasted heavy knockout defeat,his was at the hands of other heavyweights and not a 40 year old cruiserweight.i have no doubt that david can bang but can his whiskers stand up to the firepower of these 6 and a half and seven foot giants??if so then the world is truly his oyster for a long time to come.
Well weigh in is 2-3pm today, so we will see how 'small 'Haye is then! He has always stated he struggles with the 200lbs mark, so it would be no suprise to see him around the 228lbs mark.
It always amuses me to hear people talk about his chin, CT is a huge puncher, pretty much all he can do, Haye had just ventured up to Heavy and come back down again. Time and time again we see an effect on fighters, RJJ being a classic.
I am very excited about this fight, I really hope he wins and in style. One things for sure it will be a great tear up!!
SDK
It always amuses me to hear people talk about his chin, CT is a huge puncher, pretty much all he can do, Haye had just ventured up to Heavy and come back down again. Time and time again we see an effect on fighters, RJJ being a classic.
I am very excited about this fight, I really hope he wins and in style. One things for sure it will be a great tear up!!
SDK
Haye was giving Carl Thompson abit of a pasting until Thompson gave him a couple of hard whacks which put Haye on queer street.
It's true that Thompson was 40 years old (past it as far as most people are concerned) but power is one of the last things a boxer will lose. I don't think his chin is too bad but there are some big punchers around....Barrett included!
I reckon this fight should be Hayes but he needs to lift his hands up higher and defend his chin as if he gets hit big I almost gurantee he drop straight to the canvas and really struggle to clear his head.
Oh and just to add, Haye has the power to end this early but he should definatly not run straight in unless he sees an opening.
It's true that Thompson was 40 years old (past it as far as most people are concerned) but power is one of the last things a boxer will lose. I don't think his chin is too bad but there are some big punchers around....Barrett included!
I reckon this fight should be Hayes but he needs to lift his hands up higher and defend his chin as if he gets hit big I almost gurantee he drop straight to the canvas and really struggle to clear his head.
Oh and just to add, Haye has the power to end this early but he should definatly not run straight in unless he sees an opening.
Well weigh in is 2-3pm today, so we will see how 'small 'Haye is then! He has always stated he struggles with the 200lbs mark, so it would be no suprise to see him around the 228lbs mark.
It always amuses me to hear people talk about his chin, CT is a huge puncher, pretty much all he can do, Haye had just ventured up to Heavy and come back down again. Time and time again we see an effect on fighters, RJJ being a classic.
I am very excited about this fight, I really hope he wins and in style. One things for sure it will be a great tear up!!
SDK
It always amuses me to hear people talk about his chin, CT is a huge puncher, pretty much all he can do, Haye had just ventured up to Heavy and come back down again. Time and time again we see an effect on fighters, RJJ being a classic.
I am very excited about this fight, I really hope he wins and in style. One things for sure it will be a great tear up!!
SDK
Sun Dance Kid said:
Haye had just ventured up to Heavy and come back down again. Time and time again we see an effect on fighters, RJJ being a classic.
Interesting point.I don't want to go too much off topic here but whilst I agree that dropping/gaining weight can affect fighters I don't think it affected Jones JR as much as people say it did.
Jones was starting to get fraid around the edges before he fought Ruiz in my opinion (which makes his victory all the more impressive to me) but the reason he lost to Tarver was because he got thoroughly outboxed due to having lost alot of his skill and stamina. In their second fight I feel as though there was a good arguement that weight drain caused him to be knocked out cold but that was some 14 months AFTER the Ruiz fight.
Anyway, just an opinion of mine that doesn't have to be agreed with.
tuscaneer said:
some people scoff at the size differential between the klitschko bros. and everyone else
Watching the Haye/Klitschko meeting on the stairs in the mall:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnOANul82Tw
And the difference in size, whilst manageable, is significant I feel. I actually felt Haye was being rather brave in the clip
While a lot of people will say "Monte who?", reading some of the US boxing boards this guy is apparently quite a dangerous puncher. I am going for a Haye TKO in round 4 though. God knows the heavyweight division needs something to happen with the whole Holyfield/Valuev freak show and the fact the two best heavyweights, the Klitschko brothers, will never fight each other.
Edited by 130R on Friday 14th November 13:07
sundance... what weight was haye when he last popped up to heavy?? a 28 lb weight gain, even from struggling to hit 200 seems excessive.being overmuscled(in the extreme cases like frank bruno)absolutely fuks stamina and sudden 2 stone weight gain would be a lot for anyone.especially a fighter with such a low body mass index as haye.i don`t see how questions about his chin are amusing or unfounded.fact remains he has had a few wobbles over the last few years.perception is that he has a fragility that even he acknowledges is part of the excitement and appeal(much in the same way as hamed).wasn`t it the cuban lad in the amateurs who had him doing the silly dance?i reiterate my point that all this excitement has happened at cruiser and not up with the heavyweights.
True but Tysons ability to slip punches along with really good defense helped him a fair amount.
I think Haye may have what it takes to beat Wlad but I don't think he would be able to get near Vitali due to the piston like jab of Vitali.
Should be a good fight and even though he is cocky I want him to win in spectular style to liven up the heavyweight division. Besides, I think the cocky/arrogant approach is all an act to get into fights with some big names.
Either way, good luck to him! Not many people enter the HW division and go straight for the big boys.
I think Haye may have what it takes to beat Wlad but I don't think he would be able to get near Vitali due to the piston like jab of Vitali.
Should be a good fight and even though he is cocky I want him to win in spectular style to liven up the heavyweight division. Besides, I think the cocky/arrogant approach is all an act to get into fights with some big names.
Either way, good luck to him! Not many people enter the HW division and go straight for the big boys.
Tyson's slippage was stunning, but I am hoping that the glimpses Haye has shown before come to fruit, and the reason he has not trained this aspect harder, is the lack of need i.e. he will punch his way out of trouble.
I think these are the aspects that make this fight so exciting - he really could be that good, or he will be laughed out of the ring. One thing is for sure he is putting his money where his mouth is, and that is a refreshing thing in boxing at the momment.
With regards to the weight, Haye came in around 230lbs mark afaik, last time he was up in the heavies. Andy Booth has always stated he has to kill himself to make the 200lbs mark.
What amuses me about people talking about chins is anyone who hangs there chin out, and gets hit on the button is going over. This does not make them 'chinny'. From my POV Haye's excitment comes through the fact he puts it all on the line, which I have know doubt he will again on Sat.
The power point is redundant until at least after this fight.
I think these are the aspects that make this fight so exciting - he really could be that good, or he will be laughed out of the ring. One thing is for sure he is putting his money where his mouth is, and that is a refreshing thing in boxing at the momment.
With regards to the weight, Haye came in around 230lbs mark afaik, last time he was up in the heavies. Andy Booth has always stated he has to kill himself to make the 200lbs mark.
What amuses me about people talking about chins is anyone who hangs there chin out, and gets hit on the button is going over. This does not make them 'chinny'. From my POV Haye's excitment comes through the fact he puts it all on the line, which I have know doubt he will again on Sat.
The power point is redundant until at least after this fight.
Klitschko is a BIG bloke, the weight behind his punches are massive, he punches straight, rarely swings but doesn't need to when you have a 6'6" man mountain backing them up. If Haye takes his speed up to HW he'll cause Klitschko problems, but the Russian can hit, albeit you can see them coming.
WRT Barrett, Haye desperately needs to put on a show, I'm sure he will, but that makes it more dangerous for him.
It's one of those fights you think you can predict but perhaps shouldn't.
Fingers crossed for Haye though. He'll never secure himself in the hall of fame unforunately, there's far too much 'pap' in the heavyweight division to show his credentials. Hell, so much so that I reckon I could knock out that 7' pleb Valuev.
(or maybe not)
WRT Barrett, Haye desperately needs to put on a show, I'm sure he will, but that makes it more dangerous for him.
It's one of those fights you think you can predict but perhaps shouldn't.
Fingers crossed for Haye though. He'll never secure himself in the hall of fame unforunately, there's far too much 'pap' in the heavyweight division to show his credentials. Hell, so much so that I reckon I could knock out that 7' pleb Valuev.
(or maybe not)
Dirty Boy said:
Klitschko is a BIG bloke, the weight behind his punches are massive, he punches straight, rarely swings but doesn't need to when you have a 6'6" man mountain backing them up.
From what I've seen Vitali is pretty one-dimensional - but effective thus far.
Big ram-rod jab like Bruno from the outset. Doesn't get carried away indulging in 'wars'.
After you've worn yourself out trying to get through the jab (and at him) he lets the hammer of his right fist down on your bonce and most, at that point, are done.
Its disrupting Klitschko early on that is the key.
Just my observation.
barret looked a total wreck,man he was terrified!! weight of haye at the weigh in was 215(15 stone and a bit)and klitschko (both) are around 17 stone 7/8 lb.i think haye will gradually grow into the weight but realistically any more than another 7/8 lb and he will be overmuscled.he was getting visibly tired by the 4th round.none the less a good experience fight but it has done nothing to suggest he is going to cut through all the big lads.the jabs coming from barret seemed more feeble than i remember from last seeing him and i think he is exactly what it says on the tin.outside the top 10-15?? problem is that outside the top 5-6 the division is fairly flat.
sundance..just noticed this but i think bonin was beaten by haye 2 years after the carl thompson loss??
both ways up an entertaining fight but i can understand vitali`s smiles at david`s apparent reckless approach because you can bet the mistakes that went unpunished against barret will recieve severe retrobution against klitschko.however , as i said before it is this reckless manner and percieved fragile chin that is part of the appeal.i wish him all the best and it would be good to see abritish champ in the vein of the champs of old rather than the effective-but-considered fighting style of the 7 footers
sundance..just noticed this but i think bonin was beaten by haye 2 years after the carl thompson loss??
both ways up an entertaining fight but i can understand vitali`s smiles at david`s apparent reckless approach because you can bet the mistakes that went unpunished against barret will recieve severe retrobution against klitschko.however , as i said before it is this reckless manner and percieved fragile chin that is part of the appeal.i wish him all the best and it would be good to see abritish champ in the vein of the champs of old rather than the effective-but-considered fighting style of the 7 footers
im said:
Yeah - just a little worrying that he went down...again. I think the jury is out on what might happen to him if Vitali catches him cleanly.
What is it with our british boxing heroes hitting the canvass recently:
Khan
Hatton
Calzaghe
Haye
Happens all the time, and TBH Calzaghe's was a bit lucky because his opponent slapped him with his forearm rather than punching him with his glove which would've hurt a lot more!What is it with our british boxing heroes hitting the canvass recently:
Khan
Hatton
Calzaghe
Haye
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