England Vs India
Discussion
johnfm said:
Not sure if Botham's bold statement re: England easily winning The Ashes will still hold!
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be afraid mate.... be very afraid :ROFL:
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Poor b
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We still haven't worked out that in order to win 1 dayers we need to adopt a wholly different approach to batting, especially during the power plays. The batting order makes no sense to me at all. Prior is a slogger and hardly ever comes off as an opener because he is simply not good enough. Bell is a very fine test batsman but totally unsuited to the demands of instant fast scoring that are required of an opener in this type of cricket. Shah is a good player but more suited to finishing an innings. Bopara is a far stronger player and would be better used higher in the order.
All of the above irrelevant when we allow India to score 387. Yuvraj on his day is the best one day batsman in the world IMO.
All of the above irrelevant when we allow India to score 387. Yuvraj on his day is the best one day batsman in the world IMO.
I guess we agree then that it's a difficult place to ply your trade and an even more difficult place to win.
India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka seldom win away from home so accept the sub continent for what it is, a place where few win but who now believe they own the cricket world on the back of TV rights and gambling.
Roll on the hens headers, the saffas and the ashes to sort the men from the boys.
In the meantime let the stirring continue.
India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka seldom win away from home so accept the sub continent for what it is, a place where few win but who now believe they own the cricket world on the back of TV rights and gambling.
Roll on the hens headers, the saffas and the ashes to sort the men from the boys.
In the meantime let the stirring continue.
suthol said:
I guess we agree then that it's a difficult place to ply your trade and an even more difficult place to win.
India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka seldom win away from home so accept the sub continent for what it is, a place where few win but who now believe they own the cricket world on the back of TV rights and gambling.
Roll on the hens headers, the saffas and the ashes to sort the men from the boys.
In the meantime let the stirring continue.
when did the england team arrive in india? everytime i go to india it takes at least a week to get used to the weather / get over jet lag etc. to play a sport at a high level seems an impossible idea to me.India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka seldom win away from home so accept the sub continent for what it is, a place where few win but who now believe they own the cricket world on the back of TV rights and gambling.
Roll on the hens headers, the saffas and the ashes to sort the men from the boys.
In the meantime let the stirring continue.
why did they not use the floodlights? cannot understand this duckworth lewis stuff.would have made for a very close finish if only they had played to the end
Edited by jas xjr on Thursday 20th November 15:11
jas xjr said:
suthol said:
I guess we agree then that it's a difficult place to ply your trade and an even more difficult place to win.
India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka seldom win away from home so accept the sub continent for what it is, a place where few win but who now believe they own the cricket world on the back of TV rights and gambling.
Roll on the hens headers, the saffas and the ashes to sort the men from the boys.
In the meantime let the stirring continue.
when did the england team arrive in india? everytime i go to india it takes at least a week to get used to the weather / get over jet lag etc. to play a sport at a high level seems an impossible idea to me.India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka seldom win away from home so accept the sub continent for what it is, a place where few win but who now believe they own the cricket world on the back of TV rights and gambling.
Roll on the hens headers, the saffas and the ashes to sort the men from the boys.
In the meantime let the stirring continue.
why did they not use the floodlights? cannot understand this duckworth lewis stuff.would have made for a very close finish if only they had played to the end
Edited by jas xjr on Thursday 20th November 15:11
This was again another instance where Dhoni had a better captaincy understanding than Kevin as he knew at the toss that bad light would come in to play.
535dman said:
India would have comfortably won this match even if it did carry on. If you look at the match sheet when the game was abandoned England's strike bowlers (Flintoff and Broad) only had one over left each and England would have had to make do with their part time bowlers to see the match out. Okay Anderson was available but he was being treated with disrespect anyway!
Agreed.. but what would the D/L situation have been if England had employed a proper wicketkeeper and Dhoni had been stumped the over before play was abandoned? The case for having Prior looks all the more ridiculous now he's at No. 8 (where he should be). A decent keeper like Read or Foster makes so much more sense than Prior. He can't open the batting because he lacks the technique and is basically a slogger and if he's batting way down the order where's the benefit? Interestingly yesterday he was the recipient of 3 free hits. One was bowled over his head but he had an agricultural swipe at the other two for a grand total of one run! The guy is nothing more than a slogger (and slogging is not enough at this level) and I would suggest he is in the team purely because he's a protege of the useless Moores. They should either select the best keeper or if they want a keeper / opener pick the Colonel.
unrepentant said:
535dman said:
India would have comfortably won this match even if it did carry on. If you look at the match sheet when the game was abandoned England's strike bowlers (Flintoff and Broad) only had one over left each and England would have had to make do with their part time bowlers to see the match out. Okay Anderson was available but he was being treated with disrespect anyway!
Agreed.. but what would the D/L situation have been if England had employed a proper wicketkeeper and Dhoni had been stumped the over before play was abandoned? The case for having Prior looks all the more ridiculous now he's at No. 8 (where he should be). A decent keeper like Read or Foster makes so much more sense than Prior. He can't open the batting because he lacks the technique and is basically a slogger and if he's batting way down the order where's the benefit? Interestingly yesterday he was the recipient of 3 free hits. One was bowled over his head but he had an agricultural swipe at the other two for a grand total of one run! The guy is nothing more than a slogger (and slogging is not enough at this level) and I would suggest he is in the team purely because he's a protege of the useless Moores. They should either select the best keeper or if they want a keeper / opener pick the Colonel.
535dman said:
4-0 WTF can anyone stop this indian team - they are really an awesome outfit 
Kudos to the Indians, they truly are a great outfit, at home in any event. We don't help ourselves though by scoring 21 runs in the first 6 power play overs in a 22 over game! It was pretty much lost then despite Shah's great effort. The coach and captain should have shown flexibility by dropping Bell down the order (probably to no 9!) and opening with Pietersen. Moores never played International cricket and it shows, he's unable to respond to events. He should never have been appointed but the error is now apparent and it's time to get a proper coach with international experience to lead us forward. unrepentant said:
535dman said:
4-0 WTF can anyone stop this indian team - they are really an awesome outfit
Kudos to the Indians, they truly are a great outfit, at home in any event. We don't help ourselves though by scoring 21 runs in the first 6 power play overs in a 22 over game! It was pretty much lost then despite Shah's great effort. The coach and captain should have shown flexibility by dropping Bell down the order (probably to no 9!) and opening with Pietersen. Moores never played International cricket and it shows, he's unable to respond to events. He should never have been appointed but the error is now apparent and it's time to get a proper coach with international experience to lead us forward. Dropping bell, further than no.9 - how about completely?
He's a Test batsman, not a one day player - he has the improvisation skills of a hatstand. As far as your criticism of Moores goes, I didn't hear anyone piping up after we'd beaten the Boks 4-0, but this series is completely different - different conditions entirely, pitches etc, a VERY GOOD Indian team, and we have no spinners to speak off - Patel is half decent but I don't rate Swann AT ALL ... even I would hammer him round the park ...
I don't think you have to have experience of having been an England player to realise if you're chasing a large score you've gotta get on with it yourself and pretty quick? It's really experience of playing big games you want - not necessatrily at international level though - just good sound cricket knowledge and instinct - when to attack, and when not to etc. Who to bowl when etc - but Pietersen has been sadly lacking in the ideas dept.
I think Pietersen should have grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck, promoted Pryor and himself and gone out and had a go. The first few overs basically lost us the game. What say we'll lose 7-0?
We had little or no preparation coming into this tour remember cos the ECB sold 'Team England' to some t
t millionaire in the WI.Edited by MikeyT on Monday 24th November 03:14
MikeyT said:
unrepentant said:
535dman said:
4-0 WTF can anyone stop this indian team - they are really an awesome outfit
Kudos to the Indians, they truly are a great outfit, at home in any event. We don't help ourselves though by scoring 21 runs in the first 6 power play overs in a 22 over game! It was pretty much lost then despite Shah's great effort. The coach and captain should have shown flexibility by dropping Bell down the order (probably to no 9!) and opening with Pietersen. Moores never played International cricket and it shows, he's unable to respond to events. He should never have been appointed but the error is now apparent and it's time to get a proper coach with international experience to lead us forward. Dropping bell, further than no.9 - how about completely?
He's a Test batsman, not a one day player - he has the improvisation skills of a hatstand. As far as your criticism of Moores goes, I didn't hear anyone piping up after we'd beaten the Boks 4-0, but this series is completely different - different conditions entirely, pitches etc, a VERY GOOD Indian team, and we have no spinners to speak off - Patel is half decent but I don't rate Swann AT ALL ... even I would hammer him round the park ...
I don't think you have to have experience of having been an England player to realise if you're chasing a large score you've gotta get on with it yourself and pretty quick? It's really experience of playing big games you want - not necessatrily at international level though - just good sound cricket knowledge and instinct - when to attack, and when not to etc. Who to bowl when etc - but Pietersen has been sadly lacking in the ideas dept.
I think Pietersen should have grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck, promoted Pryor and himself and gone out and had a go. The first few overs basically lost us the game. What say we'll lose 7-0?
I totally disgaree about Prior. He's a slogger and should be nowhere near an international X1. Pietersen and Bopara should have opened.
Rumour is that Moores is not even well liked amongst the players and its been pointed out that none of his 3 captains have ever given him a ringing public endorsement and Vaughan didn't even mention him when he resigned. I do believe that international experience is essential at this level, especially with an inexperienced captain. International teams should not require coaching as such, they need leadership. The ECB should bin him after this tour and beg Shane Warne to take the job.
So they've pulled out of the last 2 games. Rather pathetic cowardice or desperation not to be whitewashed? I don't remember any international sports tours to Britain being called off after 7/7? Bunch of overpaid, underperforming poofs.
(IMHO) (And not you Freddie obviously, you're much bigger than me. And you Harmy. Or Colly, you look genuinely Hard. The rest of you, poofs).
(IMHO) (And not you Freddie obviously, you're much bigger than me. And you Harmy. Or Colly, you look genuinely Hard. The rest of you, poofs).
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