Any muscle men on here…?
Discussion
Apologies for the title,
I am looking at buying some supplements; Whey Protein Isolate, perhaps some Creatine. Having trawled through countless pages of contradictory evidence and marketing speak I am still no further on, can anyone shed some light on what are the best buys, things to avoid etc…?
The aim is to increase strength, not huge muscle mass (cyclist you see) whilst maintaining my weight (in terms of body fat), so no weigh gainers.
Advice would be greatly appreciated.
I play football alot so i take cyclone which is a bit of everything and i havent put on much weight where it shouldnt be and it didnt give me the s
ts which is always a good thing while running around!
Sorry im not much help,but not into body building those are the guys to talk to as they are all like scientists when it comes to this subject
ts which is always a good thing while running around!Sorry im not much help,but not into body building those are the guys to talk to as they are all like scientists when it comes to this subject
Boiled eggs, fish, chicken and some complex carbs, if you really insist in buying something go for creatine and a protein drink with no sugar added. Have before bed if you as they do say this is when muscle fibres recover, this thread has been on pie and piston before.
By the way not a body builder but compete in world gym challenge and a few tri-athlons.
Good luck mate.
By the way not a body builder but compete in world gym challenge and a few tri-athlons.
Good luck mate.
Edited by 996 sps on Tuesday 30th September 19:21
996 sps said:
Boiled eggs, fish, chicken and some complex carbs, if you really insist in buying something go for creatine and a protein drink with no sugar added. Have before bed if you as they do say this is when muscle fibres recover, this thread has been on pie and piston before.
By the way not a body builder but compete in world gym challenge and a few tri-athlons.
Good luck mate.
Some whey before workout and in the morning, some normal after workout. By the way not a body builder but compete in world gym challenge and a few tri-athlons.
Good luck mate.
Edited by 996 sps on Tuesday 30th September 19:21
Add some dextrose to it in the morning and after workout.
Creatine and all that stuff is nice, but costly for not much extra.
Eat, train, eat, sleep, rest, train etc. etc.
Im a rugby guy, play on the wing so have to be fast and powerful, i ALWAYS use maximuscle stuff! tryed other brands and they realy are no-where near as good, they used to upset my stomach and didnt eva feel like i was getting any where.
Go onto the maximuscle web site, they spearate their stuff up into catagories.
If i were your i would use maximuscle cyclone, like everyone else has said, expesive but so worth it!!
And no createne wont turn you into arnie! its all to do with how you train, if your training programme is right for your sport then the suplement will only enhance the gains from your training. I do my cardio at rugby training then 2-3 times a week i hit the gym doing weights, always making sure to get 7days rest for each muscle group, means your muscles get the right time to repair whilst in their state of entrophy making them stronger and bigger as the fibres repair. BUT use the same supplement and train the same 6 times but doing a mix of cardio and weights (not aiming for high weight but doing more reps) everytime the gains will be less mass and more tone amd endurance.
Have been weight training for 6 years now and it has taken me a long time to get the perfect sesh for me, and even now i change things around to get best results.
Everyone is different, so what works for me probably wont work for you!
Maximuscle cyclone is the way forward!
www.maximuscle.com
hope that helps?
Go onto the maximuscle web site, they spearate their stuff up into catagories.
If i were your i would use maximuscle cyclone, like everyone else has said, expesive but so worth it!!
And no createne wont turn you into arnie! its all to do with how you train, if your training programme is right for your sport then the suplement will only enhance the gains from your training. I do my cardio at rugby training then 2-3 times a week i hit the gym doing weights, always making sure to get 7days rest for each muscle group, means your muscles get the right time to repair whilst in their state of entrophy making them stronger and bigger as the fibres repair. BUT use the same supplement and train the same 6 times but doing a mix of cardio and weights (not aiming for high weight but doing more reps) everytime the gains will be less mass and more tone amd endurance.
Have been weight training for 6 years now and it has taken me a long time to get the perfect sesh for me, and even now i change things around to get best results.
Everyone is different, so what works for me probably wont work for you!
Maximuscle cyclone is the way forward!
www.maximuscle.com
hope that helps?
Yugguy said:
If you don't want huge mass then you don't want creatine products, as they will give you bulk. I've found SciMxs Whey protein to be the best compromise between price and quality. Maximuscle stuff is good but pricy.
Creatine won't bulk you up, don't overload on it, it increases strength and is ideal for explosive workouts for longer also assists in interval trg, got to put everything in context, if your strength training then you will bulk up on protein or creatine, if your endurance training and adding supplements then these will assist in this training. However to choose out of the two I would have Whey Protein as it gives the body the amino acids it needs to re-grow muscle fibres. As for me i'll be honest i'm a fish and potato man!
Edited by 996 sps on Thursday 2nd October 19:37
Edited by 996 sps on Thursday 2nd October 19:39
Edited by 996 sps on Thursday 2nd October 19:44
I use maximuscle cyclone too and it has very good results with me.
I am not big at all (I weigh 72kg 5'11") but I am sprinter and have approx 6% body fat so definately doesnt add bulk to me at least.
Though to be completely honest it is all about your metabolism, body shape, diet and training regime. What works for one might not work for another.
My aim was to increase strength without adding any weight, and I have definately done that, if you are an athlete then there is no point having lots of mass as you just have to drag it along!!
Anyway to be completely honest many of the big guys at gyms aren't the amazingly strong in relation to strength to weight.
A good aim which I can just about meet after a lot of hard work is to be able to BP 1.5 times your own body weight for 1 Rep Max and 2 times your body weight in squats.
You speak to lots of big guys in gyms and there are very very few who can actually do that, regardless of what they say.
Its just like a car, power to weight ratio is what matters - well in a sprinter anyway.
Maximuscle is expensive though - and the most important thing to remember is rest is where your body builds the muscle.
I am not big at all (I weigh 72kg 5'11") but I am sprinter and have approx 6% body fat so definately doesnt add bulk to me at least.
Though to be completely honest it is all about your metabolism, body shape, diet and training regime. What works for one might not work for another.
My aim was to increase strength without adding any weight, and I have definately done that, if you are an athlete then there is no point having lots of mass as you just have to drag it along!!
Anyway to be completely honest many of the big guys at gyms aren't the amazingly strong in relation to strength to weight.
A good aim which I can just about meet after a lot of hard work is to be able to BP 1.5 times your own body weight for 1 Rep Max and 2 times your body weight in squats.
You speak to lots of big guys in gyms and there are very very few who can actually do that, regardless of what they say.
Its just like a car, power to weight ratio is what matters - well in a sprinter anyway.
Maximuscle is expensive though - and the most important thing to remember is rest is where your body builds the muscle.
996 sps said:
Yugguy said:
If you don't want huge mass then you don't want creatine products, as they will give you bulk. I've found SciMxs Whey protein to be the best compromise between price and quality. Maximuscle stuff is good but pricy.
Creatine won't bulk you up, don't overload on it, it increases strength and is ideal for explosive workouts for longer also assists in interval trg, got to put everything in context, if your strength training then you will bulk up on protein or creatine, if your endurance training and adding supplements then these will assist in this training. However to choose out of the two I would have Whey Protein as it gives the body the amino acids it needs to re-grow muscle fibres. As for me i'll be honest i'm a fish and potato man!
Edited by 996 sps on Thursday 2nd October 19:37
Edited by 996 sps on Thursday 2nd October 19:39
Edited by 996 sps on Thursday 2nd October 19:44
I've also found recently that taking Maximuscle concentrated amino capsules about half an hour before a workout staves off muscle fatigue during it. I've also found this seems to help me when I'm running.
As to type of protein, another poster said the cheap stuff gave him wind, well aye, I used to get the raging s
ts from cheap Holland and Barrat stuff but SciMx doesn't affect me at all and is nigh on half the price per weight of product than the Maximuscle stuff.Best off to try a few and see which you like best.
I've found this site to be pretty cheap and quick delivery.
http://www.bodybuilding-supplements.co.uk/usn-100-...
Republik said:
Ask the same question on the Mens Health forums. They are serious about their training and will know exactly which ones to suggested for what you want to achieve.
Ey up a lot of us are serious about are training on here as well! I believe theres just as good advice on here if needed.I'm qualified to give advice and work in a gym.
996 sps said:
Republik said:
Ask the same question on the Mens Health forums. They are serious about their training and will know exactly which ones to suggested for what you want to achieve.
Ey up a lot of us are serious about are training on here as well! I believe theres just as good advice on here if needed.I'm qualified to give advice and work in a gym.
king-lutely, I've been lifting weights for 20 years and can at least give advice based on experience.Thanks for the feedback, good to know there are people on PH with experience. From what I have seen feedback on other forums (bodybuilding.com etc…) is often less than helpful (think steroid fuelled, grey matter deficient grunters).
Just on general recommendation I have plumped for a couple of tubs of Cyclone, I will give this a go before I branch out into individual products (creatine, protein). The price is insane, £44 for 10 days worth (1.2kg). That said 10g of creatine per day does seem a little high so I will reduce my intake by 50%, and only on workout/sport days (5 days per week). For the record, it tastes vile.
I have also taken a look at my diet and tried to increase the number of meals and decrease there size, more fish, chicken and eggs.
Thanks again, I will revisit this thread when the time comes for cheaper, more plentiful products. Be like a bag of marbles in no time.
Just on general recommendation I have plumped for a couple of tubs of Cyclone, I will give this a go before I branch out into individual products (creatine, protein). The price is insane, £44 for 10 days worth (1.2kg). That said 10g of creatine per day does seem a little high so I will reduce my intake by 50%, and only on workout/sport days (5 days per week). For the record, it tastes vile.
I have also taken a look at my diet and tried to increase the number of meals and decrease there size, more fish, chicken and eggs.
Thanks again, I will revisit this thread when the time comes for cheaper, more plentiful products. Be like a bag of marbles in no time.
Morpeth said:
For the record, it tastes vile.
Drink it with skimmed milk and it is much much better. I physically couldn't drink mine with water it is horrible plus you get the added benefit of extra protein.Depends on your build though...
Edited by bales on Wednesday 8th October 12:58
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