Sheffield United were robbed
Discussion
As we thought....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7632324.s...
I wonder if I can claim for the shares I sold when they got relegated?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7632324.s...
I wonder if I can claim for the shares I sold when they got relegated?
As a Blade, I can't argue with anyone that says that our fate was in our own hands, and we blew it. However, the facts are:
1. West Ham rushed through the "loan" signings of Tevez & Mascherano, conveniently ignoring or forgetting Rule U18 (regarding 3rd party influence)
2. They lied to the FA about "agreements" made with the players' real owners
3. They pleaded not guilty until the last possible moment, seemingly in an attempt to keep Tevez & Mascherano playing as long as possible.
4. They tried to unilaterally terminate the "agreement" with Joorabchian et al and claim Tevez for themselves.
5. The Premier League found them guilty of a "an obvious and deliberate breach of the Rules" (their words), but decide not to dock points because (i) it's too late in the season (ii) it would be unfair on the poor Hammers players & fans.
The whole thing stinks. I don't care whether we get compensation or not - no amount of money can compensate for relegation and what it meant for us. The prospects for getting back into the PL don't look good. I'd just like some honesty and to see West Ham & the Premier League exposed for the cheats that they are.
Thanks to the teams that (briefly) supported us. Wigan did what they had to do by winning at Bramall Lane, and I don't think Blades bear them any malice - their club seems to be run the right way.
1. West Ham rushed through the "loan" signings of Tevez & Mascherano, conveniently ignoring or forgetting Rule U18 (regarding 3rd party influence)
2. They lied to the FA about "agreements" made with the players' real owners
3. They pleaded not guilty until the last possible moment, seemingly in an attempt to keep Tevez & Mascherano playing as long as possible.
4. They tried to unilaterally terminate the "agreement" with Joorabchian et al and claim Tevez for themselves.
5. The Premier League found them guilty of a "an obvious and deliberate breach of the Rules" (their words), but decide not to dock points because (i) it's too late in the season (ii) it would be unfair on the poor Hammers players & fans.
The whole thing stinks. I don't care whether we get compensation or not - no amount of money can compensate for relegation and what it meant for us. The prospects for getting back into the PL don't look good. I'd just like some honesty and to see West Ham & the Premier League exposed for the cheats that they are.
Thanks to the teams that (briefly) supported us. Wigan did what they had to do by winning at Bramall Lane, and I don't think Blades bear them any malice - their club seems to be run the right way.
mybrainhurts said:
Einion Yrth said:
Blunts needed a draw, against the worst team in the league, on the last day of the season, to stay up - they lost. Basically they went down because they were crap, whatever Colin w
r and his sad deluded minions want to say.
Beautifully put...r and his sad deluded minions want to say.
Negative Creep said:
Not to mention the fact they had 37 other games to save themselves from the drop
I'm not a United fan, but as I see it if West Ham hadn't cheated Sheefield United WOULD have saved themselves with what they got out of those 37 games..... Seems obvious.
Edited by Ferg on Sunday 28th September 13:02
Ferg said:
Negative Creep said:
Not to mention the fact they had 37 other games to save themselves from the drop
I'm not a United fan, but as I see it if West Ham hadn't cheated Sheefield United WOULD have saved themselves with what they got out of those 37 games..... Seems obvious.
Edited by Ferg on Sunday 28th September 13:02
If we use that school of thought, then why not go through every game they didn't win and find someone to sue? You could say they went down because the ref didn't award them a clear penalty in x game, so sue the ref. Y cheated to win a penalty against them, so sue him as well. If one of those decisions had gone the other way, United would've stayed up.
My point is a team cannot stay up just because of the actions of one player. Staying up is a culmination of what happens over 38 games and everyone's fate is in their own hands
That's all a very good point, and had it all been conjecture very reasonable, but I was under the impression that 'someone important' had decided that Tevez was playing for West Ham illegally.
Surely it would be reasonable to deduct his goals from West Ham's games and if indeed someone else might have scored his goals that's just tough st on West Ham for cheating... 'knowingly cheating' it would appear.
As I say, I don't support either club, but for a neutral supporter I see it just as a team playing an illeligible player which should be punished accordingly. West Ham no doubt were very pleased to have 'got away with' staying in the Premiership... they should just put up with what I feel they deserve....the financial equivalent of their league place (since buggering about with their league position isn't really feasible).
Surely it would be reasonable to deduct his goals from West Ham's games and if indeed someone else might have scored his goals that's just tough s
t on West Ham for cheating... 'knowingly cheating' it would appear.As I say, I don't support either club, but for a neutral supporter I see it just as a team playing an illeligible player which should be punished accordingly. West Ham no doubt were very pleased to have 'got away with' staying in the Premiership... they should just put up with what I feel they deserve....the financial equivalent of their league place (since buggering about with their league position isn't really feasible).
although I am a west ham fan and may have some bias here,blades are really clutching at straws,west ham played out of their skins to avoid relegation that year,even I thought they had no hope.
Most seasons average themselves out and at the end of the day we had to go to old trafford to get a result and sheffield utd cocked up big time.
get over it,take it on the chin like a man and stop behaving like a bunch of winging northerners. crap happens and if you are any good for the premier league you can come back up,easy really
it's unfortunate but one player does not really affect a whole seasons points,another player would be in, if tevez was not.
You may get a bit of compo as in this day and age ,crying like a baby normally works but we'll be in the premiership and you boys won't,that's life!!
Most seasons average themselves out and at the end of the day we had to go to old trafford to get a result and sheffield utd cocked up big time.
get over it,take it on the chin like a man and stop behaving like a bunch of winging northerners. crap happens and if you are any good for the premier league you can come back up,easy really
it's unfortunate but one player does not really affect a whole seasons points,another player would be in, if tevez was not.
You may get a bit of compo as in this day and age ,crying like a baby normally works but we'll be in the premiership and you boys won't,that's life!!
Thing is, why should only Sheffield United be rewarded? If you compensate them then surely you'd have to compensate the other clubs he scored against? A quick check says he scored in wins over Bolton, Wigan and 'Boro. So then surely they'd have to be paid based on the position they would have finished if they'd got 3 more points? Again, problem is it assumes West Ham would've lost without Tevez.
I'm not a fan of either club but think any fine should go to charity or academy development
I'm not a fan of either club but think any fine should go to charity or academy development
Indeed. The whole thing is just a load of st, but it's of West Ham's making. I don't know what other way there is to sort it out, but Sheffield United were certainly (and I KNOW it's not proven, but did you see what West Ham were like without Tevez that season...) cheated of their Premiership status by West Ham and if they want to get as much compensation as they can, then good for them.
I might add that I was delighted to see Warnock relagated.
t, but it's of West Ham's making. I don't know what other way there is to sort it out, but Sheffield United were certainly (and I KNOW it's not proven, but did you see what West Ham were like without Tevez that season...) cheated of their Premiership status by West Ham and if they want to get as much compensation as they can, then good for them. I might add that I was delighted to see Warnock relagated.
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