Looks Like Its 'Gone-aldo' - And To A Bigger Club!

[im]

Well the show pony is on his way out of the worlds best league to join The biggest team in the world. Frankly he was over-rated as his display last night when it mattered showed.

I hope that United fans now realise that when Madrid come calling the worlds "best" players will always opt for Madrid over Utd.

United: The richest club - perhaps, the 'biggest' club - not a hope now or ever. The southern Europeans (Italians, Spanish, Portugese, French etc) will ALWAYS see Madrid as the place to be if the opportunity arises as will the South Americans.

You cant change geography or history.

Bye bye Ronnie

[disco1]

Have I missed something?

I don't support Man U but I will say they are in the top 3 clubs (AC, Real & ManU) of all time and currenlty the richest by a country mile, where would Real be without the king and local government to bail them out every year? Possibly the worst business model in football, they get themselves in to massive debt then sell of their training ground worth £10million to the council for £100m, the council then hands it back as a gift! If they operated in the UK like that they would be in administration and knocking around the conference.

Real don't buy up an coming talent, they just go for the form players but as we have seen form is temporary and they end up with loads of duds.

Real do well in the Champions league too don't they!

[pistnskint]

Liverpool 5 Man U 4 Rich in money but still need to catch us up re trophies.

[dickymint]

He needs to be very careful what He decides - He's going under the knife in Manchester. One slip and it's Hop it Ron



http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gaTu2BIgCB003v...

[im]

disco1 said:

Have I missed something? I don't support Man U but I will say they are in the top 3 clubs (AC, Real & ManU) of all time

Based on what criteria???

6th in terms of winning the cup: Liverpool, Bayern, Ajax, AC Milan and Real have all won it more times.

disco1 said:

...and currenlty the richest by a country mile

Hogwash...

http://www.homesworldwide.co.uk/europe/spain/news/...

disco1 said:

...where would Real be without the king and local government to bail them out every year? Possibly the worst business model in football, they get themselves in to massive debt then sell of their training ground worth £10million to the council for £100m, the council then hands it back as a gift!

Again...rubbish...Real Madrid operates as a private, nonprofit club supported financially, in part, by more than 100,000 club members. Real Madrid generates roughly 25 percent of its revenue from ticket sales, 36 percent from television agreements, and 38 percent from merchandise and marketing deals.

Championships and trophies attract fans, giving the team the gate receipts to sustain itself.

They may not turn a profit - but they are not supposed to!

disco1 said:

If they operated in the UK like that they would be in administration and knocking around the conference.

What, with a membership of 100,000+

I don't think you quite understand that not operating as a private theifdom for some entrepreneur or arab conglomorate they don't need to make money - it's about the supporters. A feeling that left these shores back in the early 80's...

disco1 said:

Real do well in the Champions league too don't they!

Sorry...9 Times winners of the European Cup (aka The Champions League) to name just 1 statistic.

Your living in dream land (or Manchester) if you think United are as big in any sense of the word as Real Madrid.

Do you really think any player would choose Man Utd over Real if given the choice? They wouldn't even choose Man United over Barcelona if asked by both - er...Ronaldinho?

Edited by im on Friday 20th June 12:15

[stimmers]

im said:

Well the show pony is on his way out of the worlds best league to join The biggest team in the world. Frankly he was over-rated as his display last night when it mattered showed.

I hope that United fans now realise that when Madrid come calling the worlds "best" players will always opt for Madrid over Utd.

United: The richest club - perhaps, the 'biggest' club - not a hope now or ever. The southern Europeans (Italians, Spanish, Portugese, French etc) will ALWAYS see Madrid as the place to be if the opportunity arises as will the South Americans.

You cant change geography or history.

Bye bye Ronnie

When asked if he has made a decision regarding a move to Real Madrid, he replied: "No, not yet."

How does the OP know more than Ronaldo himself?

Went down to Little Portugal last night to watch the game and the feeling down there is that a lot of people close to Ronaldo have been making all the noise and making him look a greedy fool. They say he will stay at Man Utd, at least for the coming season. Although it seems his rep with Man Utd fans has deff been hurt. Don't care how good you are or think you are.

[dickymint]

Ronaldo HAS made the decision that He wants to go to Real. The question is will he be allowed to go now or have to wait. Yet again the BBC only reported half of Ronaldos quotes. Several other quotes out there, here's one.........

http://www.bangkokpost.com/sportsplus/sportsplus.p...


"You know what I want," he told the media, somewhat enigmatically, in Basle after the 3-2 defeat. "I am not going to say more. In a couple of days there will be statement."

He added that "I took the decision before the final of the Champions League" (in which United beat Chelsea on penalties). "I did not want to speak before now in order to not prejudice Portugal, but Euro 2008 is now over for me and I want to explain all of this."


If He stays then great (but nobody is expecting Him to have as good a season as last year). If He goes then so what? Others are quite capable of sharing his goal tally.

Personally it's a toss up between staying for one more year or a swap for Robinho plus a wad of cash.

Edited by dickymint on Friday 20th June 11:57

[im]

dickymint said:

Ronaldo HAS made the decision that He wants to go to Real. The question is will he be allowed to go now or have to wait. Yet again the BBC only reported half of Ronaldos quotes. Several other quotes out there, here's one.........

http://www.bangkokpost.com/sportsplus/sportsplus.p...


"You know what I want," he told the media, somewhat enigmatically, in Basle after the 3-2 defeat. "I am not going to say more. In a couple of days there will be statement."

He added that "I took the decision before the final of the Champions League" (in which United beat Chelsea on penalties). "I did not want to speak before now in order to not prejudice Portugal, but Euro 2008 is now over for me and I want to explain all of this."

If He stays then great (but nobody is expecting Him to have as good a season as last year). If He goes then so what? Others are quite capable of sharing his goal tally.

Personally it's a toss up between staying for one more year or a swap for Robinho plus a wad of cash.

Keep up Stimmers...his latest quotes are all over the Sports channels...

Edited by im on Friday 20th June 12:17

[disco1]

im said:

Keep up Stimmers...his latest quotes are all over the Sports channels...

Edited by im on Friday 20th June 12:17

Happy chappy arn't you................jog on!

[stimmers]

im said:

dickymint said:

Ronaldo HAS made the decision that He wants to go to Real. The question is will he be allowed to go now or have to wait. Yet again the BBC only reported half of Ronaldos quotes. Several other quotes out there, here's one.........

http://www.bangkokpost.com/sportsplus/sportsplus.p...


"You know what I want," he told the media, somewhat enigmatically, in Basle after the 3-2 defeat. "I am not going to say more. In a couple of days there will be statement."

He added that "I took the decision before the final of the Champions League" (in which United beat Chelsea on penalties). "I did not want to speak before now in order to not prejudice Portugal, but Euro 2008 is now over for me and I want to explain all of this."

If He stays then great (but nobody is expecting Him to have as good a season as last year). If He goes then so what? Others are quite capable of sharing his goal tally.

Personally it's a toss up between staying for one more year or a swap for Robinho plus a wad of cash.

Keep up Stimmers...his latest quotes are all over the Sports channels...

Edited by im on Friday 20th June 12:17

By the way Disco is correct. The Spanish Government finance Real Madrid heavily and write of their debts. This is the only reaon that they have been able to buy the likes fo Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc at such ridiculous transfer fees.

This is not opinion, its fact. Keep up old bean

[dickymint]

Full transcript of Ronaldos interview with Guillem Balague here.....................

http://guillembalague.com/interview_desp.php?id=10

[stimmers]

Guillem: You know that when you return to Manchester people will be upset with you
Ronaldo: But that will pass, a couple of good goals and people will be happy


Whats he saying here ?

[im]

stimmers said:

im said:

dickymint said:

Ronaldo HAS made the decision that He wants to go to Real. The question is will he be allowed to go now or have to wait. Yet again the BBC only reported half of Ronaldos quotes. Several other quotes out there, here's one.........

http://www.bangkokpost.com/sportsplus/sportsplus.p...


"You know what I want," he told the media, somewhat enigmatically, in Basle after the 3-2 defeat. "I am not going to say more. In a couple of days there will be statement."

He added that "I took the decision before the final of the Champions League" (in which United beat Chelsea on penalties). "I did not want to speak before now in order to not prejudice Portugal, but Euro 2008 is now over for me and I want to explain all of this."

If He stays then great (but nobody is expecting Him to have as good a season as last year). If He goes then so what? Others are quite capable of sharing his goal tally.

Personally it's a toss up between staying for one more year or a swap for Robinho plus a wad of cash.

Keep up Stimmers...his latest quotes are all over the Sports channels...

The Spanish Government finance Real Madrid heavily and write of their debts. This is the only reaon that they have been able to buy the likes fo Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc at such ridiculous transfer fees.

This is not opinion, its fact. Keep up old bean

No they dont. Not even Governments would write of loans to clubs the size of Madrid and with their potential profitability.

Madrid went to 1 bank for a loan of £23M to tide them over in the wake of the sale of Beckham.

Although they don't have to make a profit any short-term financial difficulty is unlikely to be felt for long. The club boasted pre-tax profits of nearly £30 million last year and a turnover of £250 million.

All this is irrelevant to my OP though. Clearly when the so-called worlds best player wants to leave 1 club for another then you know who he thinks are the bigger outfit and by extension who the other players think are the biggest team.

[stimmers]

im said:

stimmers said:

im said:

dickymint said:

Ronaldo HAS made the decision that He wants to go to Real. The question is will he be allowed to go now or have to wait. Yet again the BBC only reported half of Ronaldos quotes. Several other quotes out there, here's one.........

http://www.bangkokpost.com/sportsplus/sportsplus.p...


"You know what I want," he told the media, somewhat enigmatically, in Basle after the 3-2 defeat. "I am not going to say more. In a couple of days there will be statement."

He added that "I took the decision before the final of the Champions League" (in which United beat Chelsea on penalties). "I did not want to speak before now in order to not prejudice Portugal, but Euro 2008 is now over for me and I want to explain all of this."

If He stays then great (but nobody is expecting Him to have as good a season as last year). If He goes then so what? Others are quite capable of sharing his goal tally.

Personally it's a toss up between staying for one more year or a swap for Robinho plus a wad of cash.

Keep up Stimmers...his latest quotes are all over the Sports channels...

The Spanish Government finance Real Madrid heavily and write of their debts. This is the only reaon that they have been able to buy the likes fo Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo etc at such ridiculous transfer fees.

This is not opinion, its fact. Keep up old bean

No they dont. Not even Governments would write of loans to clubs the size of Madrid and with their potential profitability.

Madrid went to 1 bank for a loan of £23M to tide them over in the wake of the sale of Beckham.

Although they don't have to make a profit any short-term financial difficulty is unlikely to be felt for long. The club boasted pre-tax profits of nearly £30 million last year and a turnover of £250 million.

All this is irrelevant to my OP though. Clearly when the so-called worlds best player wants to leave 1 club for another then you know who he thinks are the bigger outfit and by extension who the other players think are the biggest team.

I used to work in Sports Finance. I know exactly how Madrid operate and how they get their money.

Thanks

PS, I'm no Utd fan, far from it. But there are plenty of world clss players that have considered UTD to be the best. Cantona, Giggs, Keane, Scholes etc to name a few. All rejected big offers from other clubs in their careers.
If Ronaldo grew up dreaming of playing for Real Madrid, why does that suggest its the same for other players.

Your post is childish and the whole subject immature

Edited by stimmers on Friday 20th June 13:41

[okgo]

Im,

I must say from your posts, you come across as a horrid doom monger that would rather see English football worse off just to prove your stupid points about real madrid, which clearly stimmers has just blown out of the water.

He is the player that everyone thinks he is, great indeed. No player will play their best every match, he scored a lot of goals last year, if that cannot dispel your idiotic view then what can?

I personally do follow Manchester UTD. But I also respect any other club I feel deserves it, real though, as said rarely raise young talent, and like chelsea buy what is good at the time. And a lot of the time they turn sour, Shevchenko for Chelsea, Beckham to a degree for Real. They are an amazing collective of players but will never have the club spirit and prestige that Manchester UTD carry in this world.

[Jinx]

There is no doubting Ronaldos footballing ability - his loyalty and sense of fair play on the other hand

I'm just glad that soon even Man Utd fans will hate him as much as the rest of England does

cheating, diving, play acting, wind-up merchant

[10 Pence Short]

IM, I'm not sure of your motivation for this thread? Is it a thread about Ronaldo wanting to join Madrid, or a thread about disliking Man Utd?

Either way it matters not.


If he stays he stays, if he goes he goes. We've built teams again and again without needing to keep the 'big' players. If Ronaldo moves on, good luck to him. At least Real can turn his head, because no other club in the UK could, realistically.

As for criticising his performances, especially in the big games, I very much doubt UTD would have got into those situations in the first place without his contributions this season. He deserves to be lauded.

[okgo]

Nah I am not as shallow as that.

I love to watch a decent player, be it for man utd or chelsea.

I am looking foward to the world cup ALOT. So many players could have found form by then

[im]

10 Pence Short said:

IM, I'm not sure of your motivation for this thread? Is it a thread about Ronaldo wanting to join Madrid, or a thread about disliking Man Utd?

Either way it matters not.

If he stays he stays, if he goes he goes. We've built teams again and again without needing to keep the 'big' players. If Ronaldo moves on, good luck to him. At least Real can turn his head, because no other club in the UK could, realistically.

As for criticising his performances, especially in the big games, I very much doubt UTD would have got into those situations in the first place without his contributions this season. He deserves to be lauded.

Its a thread cos I'm sick to death of hearing United fans saying their club is the biggest in the world - even on a phone-in this morning, coming on in their droves to say stuff like "if he wants to join a lesser club let him go...blah blah".

One even said "Lets offer him for Messi". It took an Italian to come on and explain that most of the rest of Europe see Madrid as the pinnacle of your career - not Man Utd.

Now that he's as good as said he wants to go the Utd faithful were turning on him big style and not accepting that Madrid are a bigger club.

As for other comments:

1. This has nothing to do with English football or my thoughts on it.

2. And as for Keane etc staying with Man Utd it has to be said that Rael (or Barcelona) never sought their services, prefering instead to opt for Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo etc...

3. Oh...and I'm a bit of a Madrid fan...

Edited by im on Friday 20th June 15:13

[im]

okgo said:

Im,

I must say from your posts, you come across as a horrid doom monger that would rather see English football worse off just to prove your stupid points about real madrid, which clearly stimmers has just blown out of the water.

Sorry...where?