Rugby - Wales injured list

[Welshbeef]

This is not good - now Charvis is not allowed to go on Tour

Henson
Peel
Phillips
Byrne
Martin Williams
Alix Popham (not injured as such but as he is relocating to France he needs to buy a house find a school and move all his stuff)
Robin Sowden - Taylor

[stimmers]

Welshbeef said:

This is not good - now Charvis is not allowed to go on Tour

Henson
Peel
Phillips
Byrne
Martin Williams
Alix Popham (not injured as such but as he is relocating to France he needs to buy a house find a school and move all his stuff)
Robin Sowden - Taylor

You guys are going to get taken to the cleaners without M. Williams. Not looking good when you add in Henson, Phillips, Byrne and RST.

Going to be one hell of a tough tour for you guys now.

Edited by stimmers on Tuesday 6th May 19:22

[dickymint]

Welshbeef said:

This is not good - now Charvis is not allowed to go on Tour

Henson
Peel
Phillips
Byrne
Martin Williams
Alix Popham (not injured as such but as he is relocating to France he needs to buy a house find a school and move all his stuff)
Robin Sowden - Taylor

Charvis has not been allowed to attend the pre-tour training camp. No reason to suppose He will miss the tour though.

[stimmers]

dickymint said:

Welshbeef said:

This is not good - now Charvis is not allowed to go on Tour

Henson
Peel
Phillips
Byrne
Martin Williams
Alix Popham (not injured as such but as he is relocating to France he needs to buy a house find a school and move all his stuff)
Robin Sowden - Taylor

Charvis has not been allowed to attend the pre-tour training camp. No reason to suppose He will miss the tour though.

Oh, the fair weather 'fan' is back eh to claim to be a passionate Welshman one minute and support Man Utd the next.

Brilliant. The good rugby debate and threads will now be gone and dick's stench will be all over them.

Brilliant

[dickymint]

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

[stimmers]

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

[hornetrider]

Do you ever let up you obnoxious cockpiece?

[Logie]

The only real big problem is the scrum half position, looks like we are going to have to rely on Cooper.

Theres plenty of youngsters that can fill most positions, although Williams place will be a massive blow. I think thats the only position we dont have anyone to fill yet. (Main reason hes been asked to carry on playing for Wales)

Anyone, will be good to watch, S.Africa have some players missing, looks like Berger might not make both games

[Jim Campbell]

stimmers said:

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

You strike me as the type who thinks they know everything about rugby who really dosn't have a clue and are often arrogant like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel who was a foward of some sort. Have you watched any super 14 games this season and noted the diffrence around the breakdown? If not take your ignorance and else where, prefrebly down the pub where hopefully someone has the good judgement to wack you in the mouth

Ta

[hornetrider]

Have a on me!

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

Do you ever let up you obnoxious cockpiece?

How ironic

[stimmers]

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

You strike me as the type who thinks they know everything about rugby who really dosn't have a clue and are often arrogant like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel who was a foward of some sort. Have you watched any super 14 games this season and noted the diffrence around the breakdown? If not take your ignorance and else where, prefrebly down the pub where hopefully someone has the good judgement to wack you in the mouth

Ta

Ah of course, the English are arrogant line. What a refreshing stereo type, unfortunately your a number of years too late with that one, but its nice to see you have a huge chip firmly attached to your shoulders.

Greenwood, arrogant? Jesus, scraping the barrel now are we not. I think the most arrogant, ignorant and idiotic pundit around is Scotland's Andy Nicol. Something ALL rugby supporers would agree on. Can you imagine the outcry if he were English from the 'oppressed' celts?

As for the Super 14. Yes, i have seen the majority of games that have been televised. I have seen exactly what goes on at the breakdown and the differences hese stupid new laws have made.

We shall see when SA play Wales, NZ play Eng and Ireland exactly how the SH teams get on at the breakdown when reverting back to the rules the have played under all but one season of their careers. So we shall see who is right and wrong then, won't we, with actual evidence. Look forward to it.

ps - when telling someone else they are arrogant and doesn't have a clue about rugby. You might not want to put the ' like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' in your post. For the 'the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' would suggest it is not i who knows f all about rugby.

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

Have a on me!

As long as he doesn't have to have the beer WITH you

[Jim Campbell]

stimmers said:

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

You strike me as the type who thinks they know everything about rugby who really dosn't have a clue and are often arrogant like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel who was a foward of some sort. Have you watched any super 14 games this season and noted the diffrence around the breakdown? If not take your ignorance and else where, prefrebly down the pub where hopefully someone has the good judgement to wack you in the mouth

Ta

Ah of course, the English are arrogant line. What a refreshing stereo type, unfortunately your a number of years too late with that one, but its nice to see you have a huge chip firmly attached to your shoulders.

Greenwood, arrogant? Jesus, scraping the barrel now are we not. I think the most arrogant, ignorant and idiotic pundit around is Scotland's Andy Nicol. Something ALL rugby supporers would agree on. Can you imagine the outcry if he were English from the 'oppressed' celts?

As for the Super 14. Yes, i have seen the majority of games that have been televised. I have seen exactly what goes on at the breakdown and the differences hese stupid new laws have made.

We shall see when SA play Wales, NZ play Eng and Ireland exactly how the SH teams get on at the breakdown when reverting back to the rules the have played under all but one season of their careers. So we shall see who is right and wrong then, won't we, with actual evidence. Look forward to it.

ps - when telling someone else they are arrogant and doesn't have a clue about rugby. You might not want to put the ' like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' in your post. For the 'the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' would suggest it is not i who knows f all about rugby.

I didn't say every Englishman is arrogant that would be ridiculous and inaccurate.

On the topic of upcomming test i think SA will be to strong for Wales regardles od the rules which i don't think will make a massive difference but will be interesting. The NZ games will be less reavling as NZ have always been the best at getting away with having hands in the ruck

Never seen or listned to Nicol so can't comment

As for saying i know nothing about rugby stating i don't know the name of a pundit who i don't care for and currently works for a station on the other side of the world is really clutching at straws

Ta

[stimmers]

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

You strike me as the type who thinks they know everything about rugby who really dosn't have a clue and are often arrogant like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel who was a foward of some sort. Have you watched any super 14 games this season and noted the diffrence around the breakdown? If not take your ignorance and else where, prefrebly down the pub where hopefully someone has the good judgement to wack you in the mouth

Ta

Ah of course, the English are arrogant line. What a refreshing stereo type, unfortunately your a number of years too late with that one, but its nice to see you have a huge chip firmly attached to your shoulders.

Greenwood, arrogant? Jesus, scraping the barrel now are we not. I think the most arrogant, ignorant and idiotic pundit around is Scotland's Andy Nicol. Something ALL rugby supporers would agree on. Can you imagine the outcry if he were English from the 'oppressed' celts?

As for the Super 14. Yes, i have seen the majority of games that have been televised. I have seen exactly what goes on at the breakdown and the differences hese stupid new laws have made.

We shall see when SA play Wales, NZ play Eng and Ireland exactly how the SH teams get on at the breakdown when reverting back to the rules the have played under all but one season of their careers. So we shall see who is right and wrong then, won't we, with actual evidence. Look forward to it.

ps - when telling someone else they are arrogant and doesn't have a clue about rugby. You might not want to put the ' like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' in your post. For the 'the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' would suggest it is not i who knows f all about rugby.

I didn't say every Englishman is arrogant that would be ridiculous and inaccurate.

On the topic of upcomming test i think SA will be to strong for Wales regardles od the rules which i don't think will make a massive difference but will be interesting. The NZ games will be less reavling as NZ have always been the best at getting away with having hands in the ruck

Never seen or listned to Nicol so can't comment

As for saying i know nothing about rugby stating i don't know the name of a pundit who i don't care for and currently works for a station on the other side of the world is really clutching at straws

Ta

I agree SA with be to strong for Wales and NZ will be too strong for Eng and Ireland. Bu that does not change how effective they will be at the breakdown and it will be easy to spot if the SH teams are suffering from reverting back to the 'old' rules.

I also think that Wales will suffer more by SA going back to the 'old' rules, as i feel the new ELV's wrongly help out the team who are defending and being put under massive pressure. This is simply because under the new rules the defending team can 'cheat' and give away free kicks rather than penalties. Which is a massive advantage to the team under pressure and they can use a damage limitation plan of giving away a free kick and being able to re-set their defence, rather than have to give away 3 points under the 'old' rules.

So with me thinking SA with have large amounts of territory and possession vs Wales, then playing the 'old' rules is actually going to hurt Wales more, certainly no advantage at all.

Your interested in rugby and know about the game, but have never heard BBC's Andy Nicol give his views on every live during the 6 Nations and don't know the name of Stuart Barnes? I'm not doubting you, i just fnd that evry strange.

Plus i don't think Barnes is arrogant. He is an increasingly annoying commentator as he's continues to use 'flash' words which sound totally out of place and always favours the side who are winning. He does know his stuff though and i do read his thoughts after games.

Edited by stimmers on Thursday 8th May 14:54

[disco1]

stimmers said:

Greenwood, arrogant? Jesus, scraping the barrel now are we not.

Sorry chaps, got to agree with Stimmers on this one, Greenwood comes across as a very nice chap and was a damn fine centre. Andy Nichol on the other hand has to be the worst pundit on TV at the moment, he just can't say Scotland were/are c&*£!

Back to the debate, we'll be lucky in keep in touch of South Africa regardless of what rules are played, remember the rubbish world cup we had? Notice how the majority of our current sick list were missing from the WC squad? No suprise really, we still lack strength in depth in some crucial areas. Shame that young acadamy blindside Collins(?) from the Ospreys has injured himself, would have been good to get him 'blooded'.

We shouldnt try to run before we can walk, really we shouldnt be touring SA, we should be trying to consolidate on the GSlam by ensuring all our players are fit, healthy, techically up to it and rested for next season.

[dickymint]

Add Ben Lewis to the injured list. This makes Charvis a dead cert for the open side especially after His victory clinching try over the Ospreys.

As regards not playing the ELV's against South Africa at least De Villiers is concerned!
But of course that will be put down to gamesmanship by some

[Jim Campbell]

stimmers said:

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

You strike me as the type who thinks they know everything about rugby who really dosn't have a clue and are often arrogant like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel who was a foward of some sort. Have you watched any super 14 games this season and noted the diffrence around the breakdown? If not take your ignorance and else where, prefrebly down the pub where hopefully someone has the good judgement to wack you in the mouth

Ta

Ah of course, the English are arrogant line. What a refreshing stereo type, unfortunately your a number of years too late with that one, but its nice to see you have a huge chip firmly attached to your shoulders.

Greenwood, arrogant? Jesus, scraping the barrel now are we not. I think the most arrogant, ignorant and idiotic pundit around is Scotland's Andy Nicol. Something ALL rugby supporers would agree on. Can you imagine the outcry if he were English from the 'oppressed' celts?

As for the Super 14. Yes, i have seen the majority of games that have been televised. I have seen exactly what goes on at the breakdown and the differences hese stupid new laws have made.

We shall see when SA play Wales, NZ play Eng and Ireland exactly how the SH teams get on at the breakdown when reverting back to the rules the have played under all but one season of their careers. So we shall see who is right and wrong then, won't we, with actual evidence. Look forward to it.

ps - when telling someone else they are arrogant and doesn't have a clue about rugby. You might not want to put the ' like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' in your post. For the 'the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' would suggest it is not i who knows f all about rugby.

I didn't say every Englishman is arrogant that would be ridiculous and inaccurate.

On the topic of upcomming test i think SA will be to strong for Wales regardles od the rules which i don't think will make a massive difference but will be interesting. The NZ games will be less reavling as NZ have always been the best at getting away with having hands in the ruck

Never seen or listned to Nicol so can't comment

As for saying i know nothing about rugby stating i don't know the name of a pundit who i don't care for and currently works for a station on the other side of the world is really clutching at straws

Ta

I agree SA with be to strong for Wales and NZ will be too strong for Eng and Ireland. Bu that does not change how effective they will be at the breakdown and it will be easy to spot if the SH teams are suffering from reverting back to the 'old' rules.

I also think that Wales will suffer more by SA going back to the 'old' rules, as i feel the new ELV's wrongly help out the team who are defending and being put under massive pressure. This is simply because under the new rules the defending team can 'cheat' and give away free kicks rather than penalties. Which is a massive advantage to the team under pressure and they can use a damage limitation plan of giving away a free kick and being able to re-set their defence, rather than have to give away 3 points under the 'old' rules.

So with me thinking SA with have large amounts of territory and possession vs Wales, then playing the 'old' rules is actually going to hurt Wales more, certainly no advantage at all.

Your interested in rugby and know about the game, but have never heard BBC's Andy Nicol give his views on every live during the 6 Nations and don't know the name of Stuart Barnes? I'm not doubting you, i just fnd that evry strange.

Plus i don't think Barnes is arrogant. He is an increasingly annoying commentator as he's continues to use 'flash' words which sound totally out of place and always favours the side who are winning. He does know his stuff though and i do read his thoughts after games.

Edited by stimmers on Thursday 8th May 14:54

I have only ever lived in the UK for one year hence my lack of pundit knowledge.

The new rules is a difficult one. I think its good that teams are rewarded free kicks rather than penalties i think no one ever watches rugby for the place kicking and i can't say i have noticed teams giving away penalties on pourpose when defending.

Barnes ah. Does anyone know if he was in Sydney on business recently? There was/is a big time british caller in Sydney working recently who wrote an article in the paper which infuriated me. It was the most ridiculos thing i have ever read about rugby.

I just got my tickets to Australia V France how do we see that one going i can't decide what type of game its going to be.

Ta

Edited by Jim Campbell on Thursday 8th May 16:45

[stimmers]

dickymint said:

As regards not playing the ELV's against South Africa at least De Villiers is concerned!
But of course that will be put down to gamesmanship by some

As i always say DICK, the proof is in the pudding. I think SA won't be effected AT ALL in the games vs Wales by going back to the 'old' rules and you think they will be effected.

Games are coming up soon and we will see the outcome, won't we.

[stimmers]

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

Jim Campbell said:

stimmers said:

dickymint said:

Wales have what could be an advantage in South Africa as the games will not be played under the experimental rules. Should be be quite confusing for the Bocks.

Oh i agree, when you have played your entire rugby career under one set of rules and then have some changes for all of one season, thats going to throw them off completely.

Never thought of that, i wonder what they are going to do? I bet they can't even remember the rules they used to play under all those months ago.

You strike me as the type who thinks they know everything about rugby who really dosn't have a clue and are often arrogant like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel who was a foward of some sort. Have you watched any super 14 games this season and noted the diffrence around the breakdown? If not take your ignorance and else where, prefrebly down the pub where hopefully someone has the good judgement to wack you in the mouth

Ta

Ah of course, the English are arrogant line. What a refreshing stereo type, unfortunately your a number of years too late with that one, but its nice to see you have a huge chip firmly attached to your shoulders.

Greenwood, arrogant? Jesus, scraping the barrel now are we not. I think the most arrogant, ignorant and idiotic pundit around is Scotland's Andy Nicol. Something ALL rugby supporers would agree on. Can you imagine the outcry if he were English from the 'oppressed' celts?

As for the Super 14. Yes, i have seen the majority of games that have been televised. I have seen exactly what goes on at the breakdown and the differences hese stupid new laws have made.

We shall see when SA play Wales, NZ play Eng and Ireland exactly how the SH teams get on at the breakdown when reverting back to the rules the have played under all but one season of their careers. So we shall see who is right and wrong then, won't we, with actual evidence. Look forward to it.

ps - when telling someone else they are arrogant and doesn't have a clue about rugby. You might not want to put the ' like most english pundits im sorry to say like Will Greenwod and the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' in your post. For the 'the other bloke usually on the SKY panel' would suggest it is not i who knows f all about rugby.

I didn't say every Englishman is arrogant that would be ridiculous and inaccurate.

On the topic of upcomming test i think SA will be to strong for Wales regardles od the rules which i don't think will make a massive difference but will be interesting. The NZ games will be less reavling as NZ have always been the best at getting away with having hands in the ruck

Never seen or listned to Nicol so can't comment

As for saying i know nothing about rugby stating i don't know the name of a pundit who i don't care for and currently works for a station on the other side of the world is really clutching at straws

Ta

I agree SA with be to strong for Wales and NZ will be too strong for Eng and Ireland. Bu that does not change how effective they will be at the breakdown and it will be easy to spot if the SH teams are suffering from reverting back to the 'old' rules.

I also think that Wales will suffer more by SA going back to the 'old' rules, as i feel the new ELV's wrongly help out the team who are defending and being put under massive pressure. This is simply because under the new rules the defending team can 'cheat' and give away free kicks rather than penalties. Which is a massive advantage to the team under pressure and they can use a damage limitation plan of giving away a free kick and being able to re-set their defence, rather than have to give away 3 points under the 'old' rules.

So with me thinking SA with have large amounts of territory and possession vs Wales, then playing the 'old' rules is actually going to hurt Wales more, certainly no advantage at all.

Your interested in rugby and know about the game, but have never heard BBC's Andy Nicol give his views on every live during the 6 Nations and don't know the name of Stuart Barnes? I'm not doubting you, i just fnd that evry strange.

Plus i don't think Barnes is arrogant. He is an increasingly annoying commentator as he's continues to use 'flash' words which sound totally out of place and always favours the side who are winning. He does know his stuff though and i do read his thoughts after games.

Edited by stimmers on Thursday 8th May 14:54

The new rules is a difficult one. I think its good that teams are rewarded free kicks rather than penalties i think no one ever watches rugby for the place kicking and i can't say i have noticed teams giving away penalties on pourpose when defending.

Barnes ah. Does anyone know if he was in Sydney on business recently? There was/is a big time british caller in Sydney working recently who wrote an article in the paper which infuriated me. It was the most ridiculos thing about rugby every one of british mates disagreed woth him as well. The article was about the realitive strength of the northen and southern hemi.

I just got my tickets to Australia V France how do we see that one going i can't decide what type of game its going to be.

Ta

Yes but the fact a penalty that you conceed in your own half, these days is a pretty good shout at going down by 3 points, its quite some incentive to play within the rules. If you suddenly say that a lot of the infringements are only going to be a free kick, then instead of place kicks at goal, your going to have loads more free kicks being given away and teams cheating. Especilly at the breakdown. If there is one thing in the game of rugby that spoils the game as a spectacle, its not goal kicking, its defending teams slowing down what would be good opposition ball in the loose by illegal means. Which means IMO the game will become more stop start, slower and teams will cheat more. Its a ridiculous rule.

Wouldn't have thought Barnes would have been in Aus recently, he's Sky's main man for rugby.

God knows what team France will select. Their 6 Nations teams were all over the place in the aid of development. I personally THINK, France will take a young, in-experienced squad and let the senior guys rest.

I honestly don't see any NH teams getting a single result in their respective tours down under. Going to be a long summer for NH fans