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The Bumblebee said:
I'd like to thank Steve Bennett for ruining this afternoons match. What a tosser.
Liverpool fan? Yes? Mascherano losing his cool? Priceless.
Saying that Bennett over reacted. Look at the way Ashley 'I am the biggest idiot ever to have lived' Cole reacted the other day and he got a slap on the wrist.
Football is a ladies game nowadays anyway, all the players are prima donas and don't care about the game. They shouldn't be allowed to play when they react and act in the manner which they do.
Rugby, now there is a game for true gents and real men. A true and traditional game.
CosmicMatt said:
The Bumblebee said:
I'd like to thank Steve Bennett for ruining this afternoons match. What a tosser.
Liverpool fan? Yes? Mascherano losing his cool? Priceless.
Saying that Bennett over reacted. Look at the way Ashley 'I am the biggest idiot ever to have lived' Cole reacted the other day and he got a slap on the wrist.
Football is a ladies game nowadays anyway, all the players are prima donas and don't care about the game. They shouldn't be allowed to play when they react and act in the manner which they do.
Rugby, now there is a game for true gents and real men. A true and traditional game.
Blib said:
He was in the crowd at Old Trafford. He wouldn't give the ball back when it came to him mid way through the first half and the game had to be abandoned....the b
d.
do they only have one ball? d.
I like my brother in law's idea for football, give them a ball each and see how it livens up
fatboy b said:
CosmicMatt said:
The Bumblebee said:
I'd like to thank Steve Bennett for ruining this afternoons match. What a tosser.
Liverpool fan? Yes? Mascherano losing his cool? Priceless.
Saying that Bennett over reacted. Look at the way Ashley 'I am the biggest idiot ever to have lived' Cole reacted the other day and he got a slap on the wrist.
Football is a ladies game nowadays anyway, all the players are prima donas and don't care about the game. They shouldn't be allowed to play when they react and act in the manner which they do.
Rugby, now there is a game for true gents and real men. A true and traditional game.
On another note players like Ashley Cole need to be shot, inhumanely. How can someone who is a role model to kids act in the manner in which he has? Is it because they all think they are someone, or something special. They may be honed athletes and good at their game but they are nothing special and really add or benefit this Society or Country in any real way.
Rugby, all the way.
Edited by CosmicMatt on Sunday 23 March 16:10
So let me get this straight. After the Ashley Cole fiasco, everyone wants refs to be respected, and behaviour like that to be eradicated. Torres was booked for dissent, as was Rio. Masch did it twice, and got sent off. yes, the ref ruined the game! Tish. Are you seriously saying refs should put up with dissent? I certainly don't.
CosmicMatt said:
Rugby, now there is a game for true gents and real men. A true and traditional game.
I'd hardly call folk who stamp on other players, and fight on the field gentlemen, but whatever floats your rugby boat. I'm a fan of rugby and football, so why on earth does there have to be this big divide into rugby OR football?? I've watched rugby at local, and top club level, and trust me, football players DO run around like prima donnas, BUT rugby players do stamp on each other, and fight, and punch, etc. Let's not pretend it is something it isn't. Ref was dead right to send him off. If more refs did that then the players would stop behaving like the over paid 5 year olds they are and actually play. Its an utter disgrace that they show no respect for the referee and is something that should be learnt from rugby. There was no reason for the guy to be anywhere near the incident, he ran in from 20 yards away. And where was Gerrard? He should have been in there straight away to stop the incident.
In my view any player who gobs off gets sent off, dead easy. And all discussion with the ref goes through the captain as in rugby. I have played rugby all my life but watch a bit of the footy. It should be really simple - the ref is always right, even if they are wrong. There should be no back chat of any sort. The ref should be able to march a team 10 yards up the pitch a la rugby if there is and send the idiot off that does chat back. A few weeks of that and the primadonas out there would learn!
In my view any player who gobs off gets sent off, dead easy. And all discussion with the ref goes through the captain as in rugby. I have played rugby all my life but watch a bit of the footy. It should be really simple - the ref is always right, even if they are wrong. There should be no back chat of any sort. The ref should be able to march a team 10 yards up the pitch a la rugby if there is and send the idiot off that does chat back. A few weeks of that and the primadonas out there would learn!
Twit said:
Ref was dead right to send him off. If more refs did that then the players would stop behaving like the over paid 5 year olds they are and actually play. Its an utter disgrace that they show no respect for the referee and is something that should be learnt from rugby. There was no reason for the guy to be anywhere near the incident, he ran in from 20 yards away. And where was Gerrard? He should have been in there straight away to stop the incident.
In my view any player who gobs off gets sent off, dead easy. And all discussion with the ref goes through the captain as in rugby. I have played rugby all my life but watch a bit of the footy. It should be really simple - the ref is always right, even if they are wrong. There should be no back chat of any sort. The ref should be able to march a team 10 yards up the pitch a la rugby if there is and send the idiot off that does chat back. A few weeks of that and the primadonas out there would learn!
Why they don't apply that rule I don't know. it would solve it in one go! The FA... Not the brightest bunch of chaps on the planet!In my view any player who gobs off gets sent off, dead easy. And all discussion with the ref goes through the captain as in rugby. I have played rugby all my life but watch a bit of the footy. It should be really simple - the ref is always right, even if they are wrong. There should be no back chat of any sort. The ref should be able to march a team 10 yards up the pitch a la rugby if there is and send the idiot off that does chat back. A few weeks of that and the primadonas out there would learn!
Blue Meanie said:
Twit said:
Ref was dead right to send him off. If more refs did that then the players would stop behaving like the over paid 5 year olds they are and actually play. Its an utter disgrace that they show no respect for the referee and is something that should be learnt from rugby. There was no reason for the guy to be anywhere near the incident, he ran in from 20 yards away. And where was Gerrard? He should have been in there straight away to stop the incident.
In my view any player who gobs off gets sent off, dead easy. And all discussion with the ref goes through the captain as in rugby. I have played rugby all my life but watch a bit of the footy. It should be really simple - the ref is always right, even if they are wrong. There should be no back chat of any sort. The ref should be able to march a team 10 yards up the pitch a la rugby if there is and send the idiot off that does chat back. A few weeks of that and the primadonas out there would learn!
Why they don't apply that rule I don't know. it would solve it in one go! The FA... Not the brightest bunch of chaps on the planet!In my view any player who gobs off gets sent off, dead easy. And all discussion with the ref goes through the captain as in rugby. I have played rugby all my life but watch a bit of the footy. It should be really simple - the ref is always right, even if they are wrong. There should be no back chat of any sort. The ref should be able to march a team 10 yards up the pitch a la rugby if there is and send the idiot off that does chat back. A few weeks of that and the primadonas out there would learn!
The quicker the donkeys at the FA adapt some of the methods employed by a minnow of sport {Rugby League} the better.Rugby refs both codes just dont put up with any nonsense,they are also backed up regarding hard suspensions.The players with the problems with referees seem mostly from premiership clubs, ie overpaid adults who are still in youthclub mode, they feel that because they are paid so much money for doing so little that they must be right in their actions.Its a pity that rugby refs couldnt take over for a season to sort the lads out and show them whos the boss.
I didn't say he didn't deserve the 2nd yellow for dissent. What annoyed me even before Mascherano got sent off was the yellow card he initially got. Yet 3 Manure fouls went by, 2 similar to Mascheranos without a single card. I totally agreed with what Andy Gray said at half time, Steve Bennett got it utterly wrong, and not for the first time.
I always feel that with the way refs tot up numbers of fouls and how their line of sight is inevitably different to that of the camera, coupled with how they have the split second decision to make and Andy Gray can run it backwards and forwards in freeze frame, it's never as easy as you make out to blame a ref for wrong decisions.
What is clear as day to me is that dissent NEEDS to be got hold of and very soon.
I think to be so hard in this game, when a few days ago Cole got away with taking the piss is a shame for Liverpool UNLESS Bennett spoke to at least the captains before the game and warned them that he would be standing for no fking about.
I've been involved in youth football for more years than I care to remember and the best refs are those who talk to the players before the game and lay down some sort of ground rules. It takes away the possibility of inconsistency and any chance of players saying "Other refs don't do that".
What is clear as day to me is that dissent NEEDS to be got hold of and very soon.
I think to be so hard in this game, when a few days ago Cole got away with taking the piss is a shame for Liverpool UNLESS Bennett spoke to at least the captains before the game and warned them that he would be standing for no f
king about.I've been involved in youth football for more years than I care to remember and the best refs are those who talk to the players before the game and lay down some sort of ground rules. It takes away the possibility of inconsistency and any chance of players saying "Other refs don't do that".
As usual, and as well stated in this thread, the problem is down to consistency.
It is not ok for Steve Bennett to decide that his emotions have been hurt and to brandish a 2nd yellow for dissent like that. It was clear that he reacted emotionally, and not using his head.
Yes, theoretically it was a 2nd yellow, and theoretically the player should have gone. But, the vast majority of refs let all this stuff go. So Steve Bennett is wrong to not act with the majority.
So therein lies the real fault - the FA and referring hierarchy are spineless. As long as they collect their fat pay cheques, they really don't give a stuff how the referees act. They don't give two hoots if you're afternoon is upset by their antics. They are going home to a secret address to sit up and relish in how great they are.
All part of the destruction of football.
It is not ok for Steve Bennett to decide that his emotions have been hurt and to brandish a 2nd yellow for dissent like that. It was clear that he reacted emotionally, and not using his head.
Yes, theoretically it was a 2nd yellow, and theoretically the player should have gone. But, the vast majority of refs let all this stuff go. So Steve Bennett is wrong to not act with the majority.
So therein lies the real fault - the FA and referring hierarchy are spineless. As long as they collect their fat pay cheques, they really don't give a stuff how the referees act. They don't give two hoots if you're afternoon is upset by their antics. They are going home to a secret address to sit up and relish in how great they are.
All part of the destruction of football.
Puggit said:
Yes, theoretically it was a 2nd yellow, and theoretically the player should have gone. But, the vast majority of refs let all this stuff go. So Steve Bennett is wrong to not act with the majority.
I disagree Chris for two reasons.One is that if it's yellow it's yellow, there shouldn't be any question. It's like commentators saying "If that had been later in the game it would have been a yellow" when a foul is committed in the first few minutes.
Perhaps this action from Bennett WILL stir up the FA. Why shouldn't he stand in front of Keith Hackett (or whoever) and say, "Sorry Keith, I wasn't gonna put up with that sort of s
t"?The second reason is that the press made such a song and dance (quite rightly) about Cole's dissent, that (assuming we all agree today's WAS dissent) Bennett was never going to put himself in that position. If you like he'd already HAD opinions on what should be done in that case from thousands of opinionated football people.
As I see it.
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