The UEFA Cup

[hornetrider]

What a joke of a competition this is.

Groups of five where the top 3 get through?! Talk about rewarding mediocrity! Look at the amount of one sided scorelines from last night ffs.

And I see UEFA are even expanding the competition from 40 to 48 teams from 2009. Marvellous! I for one am really looking forward to seeing FC Nowhere v Real Average slug it out in the group stages



All that said, well done to all the British teams who I think will do well come the business end of the tournament.

[alfa phil]

It may be a bit of a joke if you support one of the big four but being an Everton supporter we are enjoying every game at the momemt ,each game we are playing in europe we are gaining in confidence, and having a strong squad no injuries and winning this cup is our main priority i think we can go all the way

[stimmers]

alfa phil said:

It may be a bit of a joke if you support one of the big four

There is no big four. Its 3, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd.

Original poster is a loser and his post shows it. UEFA cup is a seriously hard tournament to win.

tootyourownhorne - i'd stick to laughing about people who need help and their life isn't in good shape if i were you. Suits your personality.

Edited by stimmers on Saturday 23 February 20:55

[Blue Meanie]

hornetrider said:

What a joke of a competition this is.

Groups of five where the top 3 get through?! Talk about rewarding mediocrity! Look at the amount of one sided scorelines from last night ffs.

And I see UEFA are even expanding the competition from 40 to 48 teams from 2009. Marvellous! I for one am really looking forward to seeing FC Nowhere v Real Average slug it out in the group stages



All that said, well done to all the British teams who I think will do well come the business end of the tournament.

yes, because the likes of Benfica, Villareal, etc, are really stty teams, (and these are the ones that got knocked out). If you don't like it, don't watch it. The UEFA cup is a great tourno to get practice/experience of the european game. YOU may think it is crap teams, but apply your own logic to the 'Champions league' where teams can win it, despite not being able to win their own domestic league for well over a decade. hardly champions is it. In my opinion you get better games in UEFA than in the CL.

[hornetrider]

stimmers said:

UEFA cup is a seriously hard tournament to win.

I'm sure it is. My point is in a group of five the top 3 qualify - to me that is utter bks and far too easy. In a group of 5 it should only be the top 2.

The UEFA Cup and the Champions League are both flawed but in different ways, in my opinion. The UEFA has too many dross teams (this is not a dig at Everton ffs, before you Blues get all spiky) its more a dig at the random teams from obscure countries who are just... League One level at best.

The Champions League I think has a decent format - groups of 4 with top 2 qualifying and quality teams involved. Its problem is its name - obviously it shouldn't be called the Champions League if a team finishing 4th in their domestic league can qualify for it. I've got a great idea, maybe we could call it something like the European Cup I'm surprised no-one has thought of it before to be honest

stimmers said:

yet more bks and ste for the umpteenth time

Will you never learn? You keep waging your one man war

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

stimmers said:

UEFA cup is a seriously hard tournament to win.

I'm sure it is. My point is in a group of five the top 3 qualify - to me that is utter bks and far too easy. In a group of 5 it should only be the top 2.

The UEFA Cup and the Champions League are both flawed but in different ways, in my opinion. The UEFA has too many dross teams (this is not a dig at Everton ffs, before you Blues get all spiky) its more a dig at the random teams from obscure countries who are just... League One level at best.

The Champions League I think has a decent format - groups of 4 with top 2 qualifying and quality teams involved. Its problem is its name - obviously it shouldn't be called the Champions League if a team finishing 4th in their domestic league can qualify for it. I've got a great idea, maybe we could call it something like the European Cup I'm surprised no-one has thought of it before to be honest

stimmers said:

yet more bks and ste for the umpteenth time

Will you never learn? You keep waging your one man war

wr

[hornetrider]

stimmers said:

wr

Excellent post stimmers, very well constructed. I notice you've chosen to not address any points in either of my posts. Shows you up for the intellectual buffoon you clearly are. A credit to PH

[v15ben]

hornetrider said:

The UEFA has too many dross teams (this is not a dig at Everton ffs, before you Blues get all spiky) its more a dig at the random teams from obscure countries who are just... League One level at best.

This IMO is the way it should be though. If it had the best teams from the 'second tier' of European football regardless of the country, it would be an England/Italy/Spain/Germany fest and although it often goes that way in the later stages when the better teams have won their way through, European tournaments have to be truly European IMO with teams from all countries who have been successful in their league, be it Spain or Slovakia.

This is the case in the Champions League of course to some extent and of course teams like Barcelona will usually drub the champions of Estonia every time, but for it to truly be the Champions League, this is the way it should be IMO!

[hornetrider]

stimmers said:

alfa phil said:

It may be a bit of a joke if you support one of the big four

There is no big four. Its 3, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd.

Typical tripe from a bitter Evertonian. I'll refrain from descending to your level and flinging out the insults.

Barclays Premier League Table
23 February 2008 19:24

1 Arsenal 27 36 64
2 Man Utd 27 40 61
3 Chelsea 26 21 55
4 Liverpool 26 24 47

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/stats_turnove... : (Unfortunately no newer stats on that link)

Top 30 English League Clubs by Turnover - 2001/02-2004/05

Club 2004/05 2003/04 2002/03 2001/02

Chelsea Football Club Ltd. 122.657 118.032 75.136 75.248

Liverpool Football Club and Athletic Grounds plc 121.054 91.576 102.504 98.668

Arsenal F.C. plc 115.075 115.056 103.789 90.602

Manchester United FC Ltd 107.561 116.956 119.480 99.486

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

stimmers said:

alfa phil said:

It may be a bit of a joke if you support one of the big four

There is no big four. Its 3, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd.

Typical tripe from a bitter Evertonian. I'll refrain from descending to your level and flinging out the insults.

Barclays Premier League Table
23 February 2008 19:24

1 Arsenal 27 36 64
2 Man Utd 27 40 61
3 Chelsea 26 21 55
4 Liverpool 26 24 47

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/stats_turnove... : (Unfortunately no newer stats on that link)

Top 30 English League Clubs by Turnover - 2001/02-2004/05

Club 2004/05 2003/04 2002/03 2001/02

Chelsea Football Club Ltd. 122.657 118.032 75.136 75.248

Liverpool Football Club and Athletic Grounds plc 121.054 91.576 102.504 98.668

Arsenal F.C. plc 115.075 115.056 103.789 90.602

Manchester United FC Ltd 107.561 116.956 119.480 99.486

What sort of a dense tt are you ????

Big four = best in the league. Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd have been miles and miles and miles and miles ahead of the rest in the Premier league. No other club has come close to getting near to winning the league than these three. That is fact and some toss pot Liverpool supporters will just have to deal with it. Your a cup team at best in recent years. Get over yourself you moron. I suggest you stick to taking the piss out of ill people, more your level of intelligence.

PS - Your Welsh and support Liverpool. Interesting combo!!! Your local Welsh side not worthy of your prawn sandwhich box touting crap you decided to choose another team. Typical

[hornetrider]

stimmers said:

There is no big four.

stimmers said:

Big four = best in the league.

This is hilarious, which is it Einstein? You are comedy GOLD!

stimmers said:

Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd have been miles and miles and miles and miles ahead of the rest in the Premier league.

No other club has come close to getting near to winning the league than these three.

Perhaps in your sad little world where football started when Sky started showing it. Oh, any of those teams won the Champions League? No? Thought not. Winning in other competitions also contributes to the reputation of being a "big club". You are aware that media outlets, papers, journos, people like that, often use the term "big four". I do apologise on your behalf that it definitely doesn't contain Everton.

Liverpool Premier League finishes:

2007 - 3rd
2006 - 3rd
2005 - 5th
2004 - 4th
2003 - 4th
2002 - 2nd

I could go back further, but I can't be arsed.

stimmers said:

PS - Your Welsh and support Liverpool. Interesting combo!!! Your local Welsh side not worthy of your prawn sandwhich box touting crap you decided to choose another team. Typical

My family on my mothers side is Irish, the whole family supported Liverpool, ergo so did I. They dressed me in Liverpool stuff when I was a baby. Its a family thing. Tradition, if you will.

I notice you support Everton and Leicester

Stimmers, I'm afraid you're showing yourself up again. Very unbecoming. Calm yourself down dear.

[Blue Meanie]

hornetrider said:

Liverpool Premier League finishes:

2007 - 3rd
2006 - 3rd
2005 - 5th
2004 - 4th
2003 - 4th
2002 - 2nd

I could go back further, but I can't be arsed.

The point being? Still nowhere near winning the title. There are 3 teams with a shot, 2 if you are being realistic. Liverpool are not one of them. People say there are several leagues within the league. Liverpool are top of the second tier, and are being caught.

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

stimmers said:

There is no big four.

stimmers said:

Big four = best in the league.

This is hilarious, which is it Einstein? You are comedy GOLD!

stimmers said:

Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd have been miles and miles and miles and miles ahead of the rest in the Premier league.

No other club has come close to getting near to winning the league than these three.

Perhaps in your sad little world where football started when Sky started showing it. Oh, any of those teams won the Champions League? No? Thought not. Winning in other competitions also contributes to the reputation of being a "big club". You are aware that media outlets, papers, journos, people like that, often use the term "big four". I do apologise on your behalf that it definitely doesn't contain Everton.

Liverpool Premier League finishes:

2007 - 3rd
2006 - 3rd
2005 - 5th
2004 - 4th
2003 - 4th
2002 - 2nd

I could go back further, but I can't be arsed.

stimmers said:

PS - Your Welsh and support Liverpool. Interesting combo!!! Your local Welsh side not worthy of your prawn sandwhich box touting crap you decided to choose another team. Typical

My family on my mothers side is Irish, the whole family supported Liverpool, ergo so did I. They dressed me in Liverpool stuff when I was a baby. Its a family thing. Tradition, if you will.

I notice you support Everton and Leicester

Stimmers, I'm afraid you're showing yourself up again. Very unbecoming. Calm yourself down dear.

They should have dressed you in a clown outfit, thats what you have become!!!! Ha ha

Keep going back to the past for your decent league results. Nothing like looking back 10-20 years eh !! ha ha

No your right the 'big four' does not contain Everton. Thought you might have picked up on that when i said that there was no big four it was a big three and its Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. Don't see any mention of Everton there. Im guessing your too fking stupid to be able to read something and understand what it means. Dear me your dumb.

My family is from Liverpool hence Everton, i lived in Leicestershire for 6 years and i played for the Leicester Tigers Academy and quite a few of my friends are still playing for the club. Not just a , 'oh im Irish and so i reckon i'll support the English club side Liverpool cos they are doing well at the moment' crap.

Clown

[stimmers]

Blue Meanie said:

hornetrider said:

Liverpool Premier League finishes:

2007 - 3rd
2006 - 3rd
2005 - 5th
2004 - 4th
2003 - 4th
2002 - 2nd

I could go back further, but I can't be arsed.

The point being? Still nowhere near winning the title. There are 3 teams with a shot, 2 if you are being realistic. Liverpool are not one of them. People say there are several leagues within the league. Liverpool are top of the second tier, and are being caught.

Fact is something lost on this clown. He's a Welsh, Irish person supporting the English club side Liverpool because when he was young his family were a bunch of glory hunters. Can't write this stuff.

Is there an ignore feature on pistonheads. Could avoid having to read the tripe served up by the dumb clown! Ha Ha

[hornetrider]

Well... I'd say we're firmly bottom of the top mini-league and yes the next mini-league is getting closer. I don't dispute that at all, our league performance since December has been atrocious - we were top of the league and showing some good form earlier in the season, its all gone downhill in the last couple of months.

The point I was making was our resident buffoon stimmers saying there is no such thing as a "big four", before contradicting himself in his next post. All I'm saying is the "big four" is an established term in the media, and is used to refer to those 4 teams who we all know. And its not just about performance in the league - it refers to the size of the club. The history, the success, the trophies won, etc. Stimmer clearly takes exception to that fact, and his trolling on this thread reflects that.

In fact, you'll note I didn't even use the term and don't generally - I've made an exception where stimmers is concerned cos the village idiot spouts his opinions on most threads and woe betide anyone who disagrees. Well, in this case, I disagree.

Anyway, this thread was supposed to be about the UEFA Cup

[hornetrider]

stimmers said:

Keep going back to the past for your decent league results. Nothing like looking back 10-20 years eh !! ha ha

I displayed the results from the last 6 years. Obviously you missed out in GCSE Maths.

stimmers said:

Thought you might have picked up on that when i said that there was no big four it was a big three

stimmers said:

Big four = best in league

I can rip your piss poor arguments to shreds all day long stimmers. Keep 'em coming, its great entertainment.

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

stimmers said:

Keep going back to the past for your decent league results. Nothing like looking back 10-20 years eh !! ha ha

I displayed the results from the last 6 years. Obviously you missed out in GCSE Maths.

stimmers said:

Thought you might have picked up on that when i said that there was no big four it was a big three

stimmers said:

Big four = best in league

I can rip your piss poor arguments to shreds all day long stimmers. Keep 'em coming, its great entertainment.

How close have you come to winning the league and when was the last time you won the league? Big four my ass. jog on you Welsh, irish tt who supports an English club side.

Clown

Edited by stimmers on Sunday 24th February 17:57

[stimmers]

hornetrider said:

The point I was making was our resident buffoon stimmers saying there is no such thing as a "big four", before contradicting himself in his next post. All I'm saying is the "big four" is an established term in the media, and is used to refer to those 4 teams who we all know. And its not just about performance in the league - it refers to the size of the club. The history, the success, the trophies won, etc. Stimmer clearly takes exception to that fact, and his trolling on this thread reflects that.

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The big four is nothing to do with media crap or anything else. Its determined by dominance in the Prem league. Nothing else. Three teams have dominated the Prem league since it was started, not other team has come close to winning it. Which only a moron could argue against. So there is no big four, unless you base it on chip and burger sales during match days which the clown does.

Newcastle have had possibly more media attention than anyone this season. Are they now part of your big five ! ha ha ha ha ha ha

Get over yourself clown, your wrong, you know your wrong, your clutching at straws and making yourself look a the total and utter tt you are.

Still laughing at mentally ill people are you you revolting POS ???

Edited by stimmers on Sunday 24th February 17:58

Edited by stimmers on Sunday 24th February 17:59

[alfa phil]

I started by saying the big four because your into big money if you finish in the top four at the end of the season, when Everton finished in the top four a couple of years ago we were classed as top four IMHO, but hay ho if Liverpool supporters get a whiff you are refering to them being out of the top four they all start throwing there toys out of the pram, they dont like the thought of the tide changimg om merseyside and a realistic chance of Everton winning the league before them. oh and born in Walton ,liverpool in case any woolyback thinks my opinion isnt worh a wank

[hornetrider]

stimmers said:

The big four is nothing to do with media crap or anything else. Its determined by dominance in the Prem league.

stimmers said:

So there is no big four

fking hell stimmers, you're a comedy legend!

stimmers said:

Its determined by dominance in the Prem league.

Well, yes it is, in "stimmers amazing world of selective statistics" as ably demonstrated in the locked 6N thread and now here. You conveniently disregard Champions League, UEFA, FA and League Cup trophies in that assessment.

Anyhoo, the term big four is used all over the media. The mere fact were talking about it demonstrates that.

stimmers said:

Still laughing at mentally ill people are you you revolting POS ???

Oh dear. Look at my posts in that thread. I sympathise with the Gazza situation. Another poster made a joke about Newcastle United, which I found funny. If you can't tell that, then I pity you and the next generations who are unlucky enough to inherit your stoopid gene.

I apologise to other Evertonians reading this oh-so-boring argument. I don't buy into the whole arguing/blueste/redste vitriol that is often displayed by certain types of individuals ie stimmers. A good mate of mine is an Evertonian, hence I follow them pretty closely. We can chat about the relative merits of the team in a normal manner. It seems this is beyond the wit of certain types of people.