The chucker closes in on the 'record' - what a joke.
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Can't believe that the chucker is still allowed to play, let alone become the record wicket 'taker'.
Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
johnfm said:
Can't believe that the chucker is still allowed to play, let alone become the record wicket 'taker'.
Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
Couldn't agree more, it's a pity he wasn't taken aside when he was still a kid and his action fixed then we wouldn't have this sad and hollow feeling.Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
Sadder still that Hair and to an even greater extent Emerson got pilloried for calling it as it really is.
Emerson knew his cricket and was a top bloke while still playing grade here in Sydney.
There was a very extensive show made by Mark Nicholas when he was doing cricket on 4. They made a cast for the chucker, so that he could bowl, but not alter the elbow angle. He had no trouble bowling with it on, in that he could physically do it. I expect when he is bowling in a match, there is some elbow flexion going on. I don't think the guy should get 200 lashes or anything - but years ago when umpires no-balled him, it was for good reason.
johnfm said:
Can't believe that the chucker is still allowed to play, let alone become the record wicket 'taker'.
Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
What a complete load of rubbish !!Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
Gimlet said:
johnfm said:
Can't believe that the chucker is still allowed to play, let alone become the record wicket 'taker'.
Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
What a complete load of rubbish !!Anyone who has played cricket at any decent level knows he throws the ball - there is no doubt he is incredibly good at it - turning it both ways with incredible control and turn on virtually all surfaces. BUT, if the ICC hadn't adjusted the interpretation of the rules, he'd be where he belongs - a small footnote in a chapter on the history of spin bowlers.
Cricket will suffer a tiny little death later today...a bit sad really.
Biomechanical Tests under the supervision of bowling experts cleared his action to be legal.
What is interesting is that the Umpires to have called his action into question have all been Australian, though Chris Broad did question his Doosra.
For me, although it has never been questiond, Malinga's action is actually more suspect.
What is interesting is that the Umpires to have called his action into question have all been Australian, though Chris Broad did question his Doosra.
For me, although it has never been questiond, Malinga's action is actually more suspect.
Gimlet said:
Biomechanical Tests under the supervision of bowling experts cleared his action to be legal.
What is interesting is that the Umpires to have called his action into question have all been Australian, though Chris Broad did question his Doosra.
For me, although it has never been questiond, Malinga's action is actually more suspect.
Conditions of the test sete (& changed) by hte ICC, by any chance?What is interesting is that the Umpires to have called his action into question have all been Australian, though Chris Broad did question his Doosra.
For me, although it has never been questiond, Malinga's action is actually more suspect.
Have you ever actually played cricket, btw?
johnfm said:
Gimlet said:
Biomechanical Tests under the supervision of bowling experts cleared his action to be legal.
What is interesting is that the Umpires to have called his action into question have all been Australian, though Chris Broad did question his Doosra.
For me, although it has never been questiond, Malinga's action is actually more suspect.
Conditions of the test set (& changed) by hte ICC, by any chance?What is interesting is that the Umpires to have called his action into question have all been Australian, though Chris Broad did question his Doosra.
For me, although it has never been questiond, Malinga's action is actually more suspect.
Have you ever actually played cricket, btw?
I watched a lot of the recent series here in Oz and Murili's arm varied between marginal and rather suspect, as I stated above he should have been properly coached at a young age before it became a problem.
As for greatest bowlers, the books show McGrath as being the best fast bowler, but the reality is that Lillie was a better bowler and from mine Akram is right up there and Hadlee is at the very top of the tree.
He got all of his wickets without help from the other end, and I remember what he did to Dean Jones in one series, it was a sublime demonstration of the fast bowlers art.
Edited by suthol on Monday 3rd December 21:22
suthol said:
As for greatest bowlers, the books show McGrath as being the best fast bowler, but the reality is that Lillie was a better bowler and from mine Akram is right up there and Hadlee is at the very top of the tree.
For me Lillee and Holding were the best to watch. Holding in particular had immense grace and searing pace. Both had lovely actions. Interestingly most batsmen of that era pick Marshall as the one they least liked to face. McGrath was a great bowler because of his accuracy but had no great pace compared to say Lee, who will never be as good a bowler.
But just for you Aussies I'll give you one name to rank above all others in terms of greatness and destructive power.
LARWOOD.
I also saw Holding bowl but right at the end of his career playing for Derbyshire in a one-day game at Chesterfield. He was still bloody quick. I first saw him on the '76 tour of England - the one on which he bowled Unrep's old mate - Tony Greig with a searing yorker.
And of course, he did bowl THAT over to Boycott in the WI ...
Boycott out for 0
And of course, he did bowl THAT over to Boycott in the WI ...
Boycott out for 0
I was fortunate as a kid growing up in Hampshire that we had for a while Barry Richards, Gordon Greenidge and Andy Roberts in the same team. (Richards was my great hero as a schoolboy and a signed copy of his autobiography is a cherished possesion). When Roberts retired we had Malcolm Marshall! I remember seeing Andy Roberts play for Hampshire at the old Mays Bounty ground in Basingstoke where it seemed that his run up started at the boundary. 
He was quick.
He was quick.
Just checked archives to make sure I wasn't dreaming - December 1975 (I was 6 years old).
I saw the windies and the aussies bowl in the same day. Lillee and Thompson for us and Roberts and Holding for the WI. I was too young to really appreciate it, other than how far back the 'keepers were standing.
I saw the windies and the aussies bowl in the same day. Lillee and Thompson for us and Roberts and Holding for the WI. I was too young to really appreciate it, other than how far back the 'keepers were standing.
unrepentant said:
suthol said:
As for greatest bowlers, the books show McGrath as being the best fast bowler, but the reality is that Lillie was a better bowler and from mine Akram is right up there and Hadlee is at the very top of the tree.
For me Lillee and Holding were the best to watch. Holding in particular had immense grace and searing pace. Both had lovely actions. Interestingly most batsmen of that era pick Marshall as the one they least liked to face. McGrath was a great bowler because of his accuracy but had no great pace compared to say Lee, who will never be as good a bowler.
But just for you Aussies I'll give you one name to rank above all others in terms of greatness and destructive power.
LARWOOD.
IIRC he was pilloried so badly in England after the bodyline tour it broke his heart. He moved over to Oz and lived out the remainder of his life in a south eastern suburb of Sydney where he was made feel welcome.
Edited by suthol on Thursday 6th December 22:13
johnfm said:
Just checked archives to make sure I wasn't dreaming - December 1975 (I was 6 years old).
I saw the windies and the aussies bowl in the same day. Lillee and Thompson for us and Roberts and Holding for the WI. I was too young to really appreciate it, other than how far back the 'keepers were standing.
I too remember that day, however I wasn't 6, and had a monster hangover.I saw the windies and the aussies bowl in the same day. Lillee and Thompson for us and Roberts and Holding for the WI. I was too young to really appreciate it, other than how far back the 'keepers were standing.
The book written about the servies was called the Hapless Hookers, not a bad read, and the result of that severe beating was Clive Lloyd creating the 4 prong pace assault
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